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| js6426 Diglot Senior Member Cambodia Joined 4523 days ago 277 posts - 349 votes  Speaks: English*, Khmer Studies: Mandarin | Message 17 of 22 13 January 2014 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't generally add new words every day, usually I will do it weekly. With my deck that had cards going both ways for vocab (which I have now changed to L2-L1) I had over 5000 cards, and then my character deck has around 3000 cards. For characters I thought both ways was best because one way will test my reading and pronunciation of the character, the other way will test my ability to write it. However, I am not all that good with Anki so I accidentally deleted all the L1-L2 cards from my character deck too, so now I am just testing myself on pronunciation/meaning and then writing down the character anyway. 15 minute stints sounds like a good idea, but if I am not going at a faster pace than my cards are building up, then before long I will have way too many due cards. Maybe I have been missing the point all along...is it ok to leave due cards to build up, or do you try to bring each deck down to 0 due cards every day? Thank you everyone for the feedback, there is some great stuff here. Seems like a lot of it is personal preference. If it wasn't for the fact that my vocab deck has taken me a while to compile, I would go with sentences for context. But it would take forever for me to do that now. At least there are lots of great decks that I can download for Chinese sentences to practice! Anyway my anki sessions have become much easier and more enjoyable since, and I have been finding more time to spend on listening, so all your input has been a great help - thank's guys! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4912 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 18 of 22 13 January 2014 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Regarding the 15 minutes per day, Anki 2 limits sessions to 100 cards by default. That takes me from 10-15 minutes to complete. When I complete my daily 100 here are a few things I might do:
I find option 3 useful to do a few times per week to give extra practice to cards I have recently missed. Option 4 can be encouraging because some of those "most missed" cards are now cards that I know really well! 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4871 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 19 of 22 13 January 2014 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I only used this method during the beginning and early intermediate stages and I get tons of real input on the side. At a solid B1 level it no longer makes much sense to drill sentences, I agree. With languages like Korean, the audio sentence method for some reasons helps to internalise the very foreign grammar patterns much more than extensive input. With my A1 Persian, I drill sentences to activate them earlier. I treat it as an extension of what you call "real input" as all of the sentences come from my study materials and usually contain more than one unknown word anyway. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5012 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 20 of 22 13 January 2014 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yes, I can see the difference between learning "common" languages and languages like Korean or Persian. However, I think it may be useful to keep on mind that the sentence mining and "ankiing" them has a bit different purpose than pure vocabulary learning (or ankiing the vocab in sentences). Those are two different goals and strategies.
I wonder, when you srs words written in another alphabet, how do you recall them first when srsing (no matter whether individual words or sentences)? Do they first appear on your mind as sounds, their correct written form or the romanisation? Or perhaps all at once? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5535 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 22 13 January 2014 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I've had excellent luck using sentences even at a relatively advanced level. Starting from somewhere between 99.5% to 99.8% comprehension of the sort of books I usually read, I was able to eliminate a full third of the remaining opaque words in less than a month. For something like 15 hours of card-making and 15 hours of Anki reviews, this seems like a remarkably effective use of my time—it's normally quite hard to make sudden, clearly-noticeable vocabulary progress at that level. But I'd already picked up all the vocabulary I was going to learn to learn easily from context, and the holdouts were things like éclabousser and écrabouiller—easily confused, low-frequency words with no English cognates. And at that point, it was absolutely feasible to say, "I'm going to go through this entire book and learn at least 75% of all the unknown words." I did four and a half novels this way, and it made a real difference.
I did have the unfair advantages of custom tools, and lots of Anki experience, so I was able to make efficient use of my time. And my card formats had been fine-tuned over a couple of years. But still, Anki can absolutely be very useful even once you can read comfortably. There's a lot of words between the 10,000 or so headwords that you need to function in a wide variety of situations, and the 35,000-odd headwords known to a well-read native adult. It's hard to learn these words via extensive reading, because even natives need a good 25 years of life to learn them. But used correctly, Anki will allow you to pick up 500 of these words in a month without undue strain. Edited by emk on 13 January 2014 at 6:15pm 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6600 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 22 of 22 14 January 2014 at 2:18am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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For me sentences are great mostly for retaining the special context. For example, one of my oldest cards is/was "Gandalf alkoi purkaa kuormaa" - Gandalf began to unpack the load (idk what the original wording in English was). unpacking the load is an extremely boring expression, but when it's Gandalf doing this as he helps to arrange the "long expected party", it gets much more interesting and worth seeing again.
Really, I'm mostly fine with single words when they can create an entire story on their own ;) And of course it's great to review (not drill!) the entire sentence when it's hard to pinpoint what exactly is unusual about it. Just a periodic reminder that this wording exists. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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