Fieryterminator Newbie United States how-to-learn-any-lan Joined 3962 days ago 5 posts - 5 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 1 of 11 28 January 2014 at 2:55am | IP Logged |
The grammar focus hasn't been working for me, so I've decided to experiment, and I've come up with an idea. I have most of the basics down for my target language, Russian, so I figured it would be a good idea to look up some children's books on the internet and study some of those until I have a fairly good idea of the basics and how they're used. How does this sound?
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shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4447 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French
| Message 2 of 11 28 January 2014 at 7:07am | IP Logged |
Wouldn't be a bad idea. There are also children's cartoons and educational programs on TV that may also be
available on the Internet. Besides books you need to balance it with some dialog to improve your listening skills.
Something at the level of the PBS program "Sid the Science Kid". I've seen a French version: "Sid, le petit
scientifique". You may be able to find a Russian version of: "Sesame Street".
Edited by shk00design on 28 January 2014 at 7:09am
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jamesleecoleman Newbie United States Joined 4490 days ago 38 posts - 52 votes Studies: Russian, Persian
| Message 3 of 11 29 January 2014 at 2:34am | IP Logged |
Sounds like a good idea. Have you thought about writing your own stories too?
If you go over to http://www.ilearnrussian.com, maybe you can find some books.
I suggest that you call and ask if they have a student discount.
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Marcos_Eich Diglot Newbie Brazil Joined 4221 days ago 16 posts - 21 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: German
| Message 4 of 11 31 January 2014 at 4:53am | IP Logged |
I am using a similar strategy to learn German and so far it is very nice. You should try
it.
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RedBeard Senior Member United States atariage.com Joined 6105 days ago 126 posts - 182 votes Speaks: Ancient Greek* Studies: French, German
| Message 5 of 11 02 February 2014 at 8:23pm | IP Logged |
My experience with using children's books is that most will not be worth it. Beware the book with full color illustrations and 12 words per page. These were made to be read aloud to children while they stare at the pictures. You can learn more TL than that in one decent vocabulary lesson, I bet.
I suggest, however, books aimed at young readers. Elementary level up through young adult. For example, I have a Bible Stories book which still has plenty of pictures to help me along.
Also, with the recent popularity of Narnia and hobbits and vampires for example, you can probably find quite a bit of juvenile fiction in your TL.
:wq!
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Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4912 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German
| Message 6 of 11 05 February 2014 at 12:37am | IP Logged |
RedBeard wrote:
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That, of course, depends entirely on the book. Many children's books have substantial content. Just not the ones for 2-3 year olds. Also, a lot depends on the culture the book is written in. English children's books try to tell a story with as small a vocabulary as possible, in order to encourage a child to read. But I have noticed that Hindi children's books often use unusual vocabulary for common words. The focus is on expanding the child's vocabulary in these books.
Besides children's books, comics provide a good balance in this respect. There are still only like 10-20 words per picture, so it is easy to see what is going on. But the amount of content that appears on one page of a children's book appears many times over on a page of a comic book.
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Stelle Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Canada tobefluent.com Joined 4147 days ago 949 posts - 1686 votes Speaks: French*, English*, Spanish Studies: Tagalog
| Message 7 of 11 05 February 2014 at 11:34am | IP Logged |
Jeffers wrote:
[QUOTE=RedBeard] English children's books try to tell a story with as small a vocabulary as
possible, in order to encourage a child to read. But I have noticed that Hindi children's books often use unusual
vocabulary for common words. The focus is on expanding the child's vocabulary in these books.
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I have to disagree with this! While there are simple graded readers aimed at teaching children to read, true picture
books have only one goal: to tell a good story. The vocabulary and storyline of picture books are very often much
more complex than novels for beginners.
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Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4912 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German
| Message 8 of 11 05 February 2014 at 2:17pm | IP Logged |
Stelle wrote:
Jeffers wrote:
[QUOTE=RedBeard] English children's books try to tell
a story with as small a vocabulary as
possible, in order to encourage a child to read. But I have noticed that Hindi
children's books often use unusual
vocabulary for common words. The focus is on expanding the child's vocabulary in these
books.
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I have to disagree with this! While there are simple graded readers aimed at teaching
children to read, true picture
books have only one goal: to tell a good story. The vocabulary and storyline of picture
books are very often much
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English language children's books are generally compelling precisely because they aim
to tell a good story with as small a vocabulary as possible. From what I understand,
this trend was started by Dr Seuss (Theodore Geisel), who wrote the Cat in the Hat with
a total vocabulary of 236 words, although he had set himself the goal of doing it in
225 words.
The storyline may be more complex than beginners' novels (which are generally boring),
but complex vocabulary is rare in my experience.
Dr Seuss famously did even better on a bet. His publisher bet him that he couldn't
produce an entertaining book using only 50 different words. The result was Green Eggs
and Ham. wikipedia link
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