maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 7194 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 9 of 60 16 July 2005 at 3:29pm | IP Logged |
Many people believe (or used to believe) that there is a critical age after which learning a language with native like accent becomes impossible or at least very difficult.
If I remember correctly some researchers say that after puberty you lose the ability to learn a language with perfect accent. What I would like to know is why this is.
What happens after a certain age that makes it so hard to learn perfect pronunciation in a foreign language? I have retained the ability to mimick accents and foreign languages to a certain degree. But this I think is very much due to the fact that I have played the piano and studied music since I was 13. However many people who haven't studied music seem to have a very hard time picking up the pronunciation of foreign languages. So what happens with our ears when we go past a certain age?
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maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 7194 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 10 of 60 16 July 2005 at 4:38pm | IP Logged |
Ardaschir wrote:
It is a simple fact that a language aquired before puberty will be spoken with native accent and intonation, while a language learned after puberty will always bear some traces of the speaker's first language speech rhythms. |
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Does anonye know what reason for this is? Do the ears change in some way after puberty?
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Raistlin Majere Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Spain uciprotour-cycling.c Joined 7163 days ago 455 posts - 424 votes 7 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Catalan*, FrenchA1, Italian, German Studies: Swedish
| Message 11 of 60 16 July 2005 at 5:36pm | IP Logged |
It is the brain that changes.
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ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7249 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog
| Message 12 of 60 16 July 2005 at 6:41pm | IP Logged |
I think it would be interesting if we could post "hard to distinguish" sound clips. Put them in the languages profiles or something.
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Raistlin Majere Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Spain uciprotour-cycling.c Joined 7163 days ago 455 posts - 424 votes 7 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Catalan*, FrenchA1, Italian, German Studies: Swedish
| Message 13 of 60 16 July 2005 at 7:19pm | IP Logged |
Here is one thing about the Critical Period Hypothesis that I don't understand. If new sounds and languages are best learnt at that age, why can't some children which have been raised in countries with rolled rs languages roll their "r"s even if it's their native language?
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braveb Senior Member United States languageprograms.blo Joined 7208 days ago 264 posts - 263 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French
| Message 14 of 60 16 July 2005 at 8:13pm | IP Logged |
Raistlin Majere, what happens to them? Wouldn't the meaning of the the sentence totally change if the R isn't rolled? What percentage can't roll their Rs? Less in 1?
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Raistlin Majere Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Spain uciprotour-cycling.c Joined 7163 days ago 455 posts - 424 votes 7 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Catalan*, FrenchA1, Italian, German Studies: Swedish
| Message 15 of 60 17 July 2005 at 5:10am | IP Logged |
Of course it wouldn't change much, but even if it was only a 1 per cent that can't roll their Rs, it would prove that this hypothesis is not universal.
Edited by Raistlin Majere on 17 July 2005 at 5:10am
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maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 7194 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 16 of 60 17 July 2005 at 9:35am | IP Logged |
ElComadreja wrote:
I think it would be interesting if we could post "hard to distinguish" sound clips. Put them in the languages profiles or something. |
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Yeah, I would, for instance, very much like to hear the different Korean sounds which Ardaschir says are impossible for a non-native speaker to tell apart.
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