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| Linas Octoglot Senior Member Lithuania Joined 6915 days ago 253 posts - 279 votes  5 sounds Speaks: Lithuanian*, Russian, Latvian, French, English, German, Spanish, Polish Studies: Slovenian, Greek, Hungarian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese | Message 17 of 41 13 February 2006 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | ||
However Rumanian "marturie" witnessing - Greek martyria. As for k/g in krypta, probably it was not "gamma" but a special type of k, called glottalized k(as in modern Armenian), made with the closure of glottis which stops completely the puff of air for producing, so it sounds very like "g" albeit voiceless. So Italians thought it is "g". Simlar case greek "kamba" > Italian "gamba". Later when g switched to spirantized sound g > gh, and kh > x this glottalized charateristic of "k" was not more needed and disappered. That's why I say that we cannot know with certainty the precise nature of Ancient Greek sounds. We of course can try to pronounce Greek as Armenian, but Greek are very angry when one tries to pronounce their language in the way completely different that they themselves pronounce. This is blatant disregard of native speakers and imagining one can pronounce better than native speakers. Even if New and Old Greek are different, they are nevertheless Greek, and only Greeks can set standards how to pronounce it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Eidolio Bilingual Octoglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 6864 days ago 159 posts - 164 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, Flemish*, French, English, Latin, Ancient Greek, Italian, Greek | Message 18 of 41 14 February 2006 at 2:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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but I don't think the "modern" Greek can tell us how to pronounce ancient Greek - especially because most of them just say "the way we pronounce it today".
I never heard about the glottalized k in ancient Greek. Maybe it's a later evolution, when the gamma already had become a fricative and there wasn't any possible confusion between the gamma and the glottalized kappa? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6963 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 19 of 41 15 February 2006 at 2:57am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi guys . Don't get upset about the ancient greek pronounciation . Maybe if you want to hear something similar to it you can go in some Southern Italy villages where people still speak Grico that comes from the immigrations of Greeks during the times of Magna Graecia (Apulia,Basilicata,Calabria and Sicily) probably there are even some websites in this language .
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| Raistlin Majere Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Spain uciprotour-cycling.c Joined 7155 days ago 455 posts - 424 votes 7 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Catalan*, FrenchA1, Italian, German Studies: Swedish | Message 20 of 41 15 February 2006 at 3:30am | IP Logged | ||
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The forum member grandine1402 is from Calabria and he speaks that language. According to what he's told me about it, the pronunciation is different from that of Ancient Greek.
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| Linas Octoglot Senior Member Lithuania Joined 6915 days ago 253 posts - 279 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Lithuanian*, Russian, Latvian, French, English, German, Spanish, Polish Studies: Slovenian, Greek, Hungarian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese | Message 21 of 41 15 February 2006 at 5:47am | IP Logged | ||
There is no danger to confound glottalized "k" with voiced "g", because glottalized "k" is voiceless and voice cords are not trembling, while pronouncing "g", voice cords tremble 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6963 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 22 of 41 15 February 2006 at 6:14am | IP Logged | ||
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Raistlin how our friend Grandine 1402 knows that his pronounciation is dfferent from that one of the ancient greeks , did he met someone channeling with some medium in trance? By the way in ancient Greece there were many different accents like every modern and ancient language. I understand americans but I to understand british it is not allways easy for me, and both speak english 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Raistlin Majere Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Spain uciprotour-cycling.c Joined 7155 days ago 455 posts - 424 votes 7 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish*, Catalan*, FrenchA1, Italian, German Studies: Swedish | Message 23 of 41 15 February 2006 at 7:56am | IP Logged | ||
I thought someone would say this ;) So I'll change what I said to "he says the griko pronounciation is different from that of what we assume the Ancient Greek one to be". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| braveb Senior Member United States languageprograms.blo Joined 7200 days ago 264 posts - 263 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 24 of 41 27 February 2006 at 9:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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How far off is the Assimil Ancient Greek audio? The reviews on Amazon said it wasn't so great.
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