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| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6782 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes  Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 33 of 152 07 December 2010 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I like your methodical style, nice charts too. At this rate you'll reach 1000 before you
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| Oasis88 Senior Member Australia Joined 5704 days ago 160 posts - 187 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Italian | Message 34 of 152 09 December 2010 at 7:51am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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208 hours
Watched 20 minutes of Italian news with extremely low comprehension. Oh well! Will finish working through Assimil as my crutch for my listening abilities. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Oasis88 Senior Member Australia Joined 5704 days ago 160 posts - 187 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Italian | Message 35 of 152 10 December 2010 at 1:56pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Finished reading all of the free material available for The Linguist (1/3 of the book) in Italian. By the end my reading speed was a lot faster and I didn't have to spend as much time looking up words. In other news, I've stopped using Anki. I don't know exactly why, but I suspect that I can learn words without it. I find it useful for the first ~2,000 but now it is becoming a chore - so I've abandoned it. For now. I now consider different texts as individual "ankis" in their own right which can be re-read to test the words. So the 500-600 new words I learnt from the Linguist can be tested simply by reading the text again (this time much more quickly). This also has the added advantage of seeing the words in context and reinforcing grammatical structures. This revelation has come from the fact that I've spent a good deal of time using Anki and not as much to show for it as I would have liked. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Oasis88 Senior Member Australia Joined 5704 days ago 160 posts - 187 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Italian | Message 36 of 152 12 December 2010 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I'm experimenting with the usefulness of Anki... so here is what I've done. I just finished reading the second chapter of Harry Potter and found that the percentage of unknown words was 6.04%. I'll compare this number with later chapters to see if my passive vocab is improving without using up valuable time using Anki. I of course suspect that it will and this will convince me to do more reading as opposed to my regular 20-30 minutes a day of Anki. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Hakan D Tetraglot Groupie Turkey Joined 5100 days ago 45 posts - 77 votes Speaks: Turkish*, Icelandic, English, German Studies: Spanish, Greek, Swedish, Hungarian, Mongolian, Modern Hebrew, Russian | Message 37 of 152 12 December 2010 at 4:02pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Hello Oasis,
I should tell you that your log was one of the inspirations of my log for 10 languages 2000 hours. And indeed you are now time-wise at where I set my goal for all of my languages, that is 200 hours each. In your last post you said that you had only 6% missed words in Harry Potter book which is quite impressive I guess. I have a few questions. Do you have an idea of how many words do you have in your vocabulary? How much of the grammar could you cover in these 200 hours? and how is your fluency right now in Italian? Did you get exposed to Italian a lot while you were studying or did you just go by the listening materials? Good luck with the remaining 800 hours :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Oasis88 Senior Member Australia Joined 5704 days ago 160 posts - 187 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Italian | Message 38 of 152 12 December 2010 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Thanks for the kind words Hakan. I'm glad my humble efforts have managed to inspire someone. In turn, you've now helped to motivate me. I'll be happy to answer your questions.
I would say that my active vocabulary would be somewhere in the range of 2,000-4,000 words. Keep in mind that "activating" words was not my main objective throughout the first 200 hours. Having read your log it seems that you are more about speaking fluency so you should be able to exceed this number if that was your focus - depending of course on the kind of language you are learning relative to your nature language. My Anki deck has just over 2,000 but I haven't been using that lately.
Quite a lot really. Within my first 200 hours I worked through a grammar book where I was able to get a grasp on all the tenses and some of the more subtler aspects of Italian grammar. I can't see why anyone wouldn't be able to do the same in any language. My goal was to be able to recognise the main grammar points to start reading L2 as quickly as possible.
I'll take your meaning of fluency as speaking and writing. In terms of these I'd rate myself very low. Although I must reiterate that being able to speak and write at this early stage is not my goal. I'll begin to work on these a little later, but for now I'm really only trying to absorb as much comprehensible input as I can. I figure that after 200 hours anyone could be described as mildly fluent in terms of writing and speaking but only with a rather small and refined vocabulary. So I guess it's a bit of a trade off depending on how exactly you want to spend your 200 hours. I've still got 800 more to work on all the rest of this.
A page or 2 ago I described in full which materials I used. Most of it has been working through my grammar book and listening to Assimil recordings. At the moment I've found myself spending a lot more time reading. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Oasis88 Senior Member Australia Joined 5704 days ago 160 posts - 187 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Italian | Message 39 of 152 13 December 2010 at 6:16am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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224 hours
Just finished chapter 3 of Harry Potter with 7.19% unknown words (chapter 2 was 6.04%). It would be interesting to see how this number behaves over time. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Oasis88 Senior Member Australia Joined 5704 days ago 160 posts - 187 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Italian | Message 40 of 152 13 December 2010 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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227 hours
I have a love hate relationship with Anki. I put in a small session today after having it on hiatus. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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