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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 17 of 25 07 November 2013 at 11:41am | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah but the OP is no longer a beginner. It's also their first Romance language and seemingly also the first foreign language. I love natural learning but you need to understand how languages work.
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| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6960 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 18 of 25 07 November 2013 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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There are musicians that play music very well and they don't know how to read a sheet music. They play "by ear" . And there are people that read all the sheet music but they don't play music very well. Or they don't play it at all. And there are people who can read, write and speak fluently in a foreign language without having studied a lot of grammar. It doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice. To me grammar is boring , if I have to figure out the rules it will take me ten minutes to say five words. Not all people's minds work the same. There are methodical learners who need theories to organise their learning systematically. And there are intuitive learners that learn in another way. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 19 of 25 07 November 2013 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | ||
Holy shit I agree with you again!! what is happening to me help 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| drygramul Tetraglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4468 days ago 165 posts - 269 votes Speaks: Persian, Italian*, EnglishC2, GermanB2 Studies: French, Polish | Message 20 of 25 07 November 2013 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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I agree with Vilas.
My GF is polish and she learned Italian conditional sentencing without too much effort with a few examples/mistakes and no grammar explanation at all. In a broader way, it's mostly conditioning. Edited by drygramul on 07 November 2013 at 1:41pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6061 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 21 of 25 08 November 2013 at 2:44am | IP Logged | ||
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@ vilas:
With all due respect, generic expressions like "Forget about rules and grammar" and "The best way to learn a language is..." are bad pieces of advice. Interestingly, then you write:
I fully agree with this one... which kinda invalidates the previous ones, wouldn't you say? 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 22 of 25 08 November 2013 at 9:52am | IP Logged | ||
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| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6960 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 23 of 25 08 November 2013 at 9:59am | IP Logged | ||
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I am what I am And what I am needs no excuses............ You don't need to know how it's done an engine to drive a car well. In fact I drive quite well but if you ask me what is a radiator I don't know what to tell you. The same about grammar I speak everyday English without problems but I am not very knowledgeable on grammar But I don't speak the Queen's English, I don't have to give a lecture at Oxford. I speak the International Broken English : Globish the unofficial language of the world. Spoken by millions of people with thousands of pronunciations. The purpose of a language is communication. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 24 of 25 08 November 2013 at 10:26am | IP Logged | ||
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English is a special case though. Try learning Finnish with no grammar :-)
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