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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5840 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 281 of 868 16 August 2009 at 9:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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MY SECOND YOU TUBE VIDEO IS ONLINE
On my second You Tube video I speak Dutch to the audience and read two Turkish dialogues from our past "Güle Güle" textbook. Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhY2dQxMSDo&feature=channel Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 16 August 2009 at 9:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5840 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 282 of 868 17 August 2009 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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Monday, 17 August 2009 = Pazartesi, 17 ağustos 2009
GRAMMAR NEWS OF UNIT 4 AND 5 (Einstieg Türkisch) I would like to present the new grammar features of both units. 1. Is there anything nicer than + verb? Examples: a. Gezmekten güzel bir şey var mı? b. Görüşten güzel bir şey var mı? c. Çalıştan güzel bir şey var mı? d. İyi bir şey yapmaktan güzel bir şey var mı? e. Türkiye'ye gitmekten güzel bir şey var mı? 2. Bin ich es? - Ja, ich bin es. Nein, ich bin es nicht. Ben miyim? - Evet, benim. Hayır, ben değilim. Sen misin? - Evet, sensin. Hayır, sen değilsin. O mıdır? - Evet, odur. Hayır, o değildir. Biz miyiz? - Evet, biziz. Hayır, biz değiliz. Siz misiniz? - Evet, sizsiniz. Hayır, siz değilsiniz. Onlar midir? - Evet, onlardır. Hayır, onlar değildir. Unit 5 deals with telephoning in Turkish, so the language examples in the book are very important for practical usage. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 18 August 2009 at 9:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5840 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 283 of 868 18 August 2009 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Tuesday, 18 August 2009 = Salı, 18 ağustos 2009
OUR PRIVATE TURKISH STUDY GROUP IN THE LIBRARY Topic of the evening was Unit 5 of "Einstieg Türkisch" which we had prepared at home. The two main new grammar items I already explained in my post of yesterday. But there was one topic which was known to me but unclear to my studypartner Johannes. So I will expain it to the readers of my log as well. Let's invent two Turkish people: Mohammed Öztürk and Layla Kalkan. The normal way of addressing people in Turkey is to use their first names and call them: Mohammed Bey and Layla Hanım. My Turkish teacher at the VHS always called me Jolien Hanım and used the polite "Sie" form when speaking German with me. Only in the 1920s there were forms introduced like "Herr" and "Frau", but they are still very uncommon in Turkey. By using those it is: Bay Mohammed and Bayan Kalkan. In my "Güle Güle" books for example those forms were never used. For the next studygroup meeting we will prepare Unit 6 of our book "Einstieg Türkisch". Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 18 August 2009 at 9:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| solka Tetraglot Groupie Kazakhstan Joined 6541 days ago 44 posts - 61 votes Speaks: Kazakh, Russian*, Turkish, EnglishC2 Studies: FrenchB1, Japanese | Message 284 of 868 19 August 2009 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | ||
Interesting, I didn't know this forms were introduced recently. Well, actually many things, words and grammar, were introduced to Turkish language in the Republic times. There is also SAYIN that can be used in front of the last name, and I've seen it used more frequently than Bay/Bayan in this case. Sayın is the same for both male and female, so it would be Sayın Öztürk and Sayın Kalkan. The contraction is Sn. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5840 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 285 of 868 19 August 2009 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi solka,
Interesting additional information! "Sayin" has in our green PONS dictionary the meaning of "geehrte/geehrter" or "verehrte/verehrter", if it is used as an "Anredeform". Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 19 August 2009 at 3:38pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| metafrastria Diglot Newbie Turkey Joined 5695 days ago 20 posts - 24 votes Speaks: English, Russian* Studies: French, Turkish, Ancient Greek | Message 286 of 868 19 August 2009 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi Fasulye!
It's great to hear about your progress. :) In my experience, the words "bay" and "bayan" are not used alongside people's names, but rather as a standalone address. You would use them to say, for example, "That man (bay) over there" or "Lady (Bayan), please don't do this". Incidentally, it is considered somewhat impolite to use the word "kadin" (woman) to address or refer to a person. As you have correctly pointed out, the words "bey" and "hanim" are often placed after people's first names to denote respect. Instead of saying Mr. Ozturk, Turkish people would address this person as Mohammed bey. Also, when addressing people whose names you do not know, you may use their title or profession + bey/hanim. For example: "Sofor bey" (Mr. Driver). When addressing a teacher, one is expected to use the word "hoca" after the person's name (you, for example, would be addressed Fasulye Hoca :), or, without the name, "hocam" ("Nasilsiniz, hocam?"). If you use this form of address with your Turkish teacher, you will surely impress her (or him). As for "sayin", I usually see this form of address before my name in all official mail that I receive. It is also common to see announcements starting with "Sayin musteriler" for example. P.S. Sorry for not using a proper Turkish keyboard. I hope it is all not too confusing! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5840 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 287 of 868 19 August 2009 at 10:08pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi metafrastria,
That's some valuable info from a person living in Turkey itself. The usage of the word "Hoca" I know only in two cases, calling a teacher that way, will be the third possibility. 1. When I visited a mosk in my city, the imam was just called "Hoca" by everyone without using his name. 2. Of course the legendary "Nasreddin Hoca" known by a multitude of Turkish anecdotes, which are not so easy to understand for learners of Turkish. 3. Then you would call a university professor "Hoca", I assume. 4. I was not impressed by my VHS-teacher of Turkish (see my reports earlier in this log) because he translated every simple Turkish word (which was already known to me) into German and did other explanations on a low intellectual level. I would feel strange to use such a title then. Thanks for the many Turkish language examples you quote in your post! I don't mind, if someone writes without using a Turkish keyboard because I know which Turkish accents are missing. It might be more confusing for people who don't know the language. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 19 August 2009 at 10:31pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| phantometal Newbie Turkey Joined 5608 days ago 23 posts - 22 votes Speaks: Turkish* Studies: English, Spanish | Message 288 of 868 20 August 2009 at 1:34am | IP Logged | ||
Actually if they are Turks you should call them Muhammed and Leyla (: 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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