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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5840 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 665 of 868 20 March 2011 at 9:16pm | IP Logged |
ESPERANTO - KANTADO
ESP: En la monato aprilo mi volas partopreni en Esperanto-semajnfino en Nederlando. La urbeto situas inter Utrecht kaj Zwolle. Vendredon vespere estas cxiam nia interkona vespero kun muzikludado kaj kantado. Du Esperantistoj ludas pianon, du aliaj ludas flauxton kaj mi mem ludas gitaron - sed nur, se mi decidas kunporti mian gitaron sur la longa trajnvojagxo. Cxi-jare mi volas denove kunporti gxin.
Mi havas 7 pop-kantojn en Esperanto, kiujn mi scipovas ludi kaj kanti. Cxiuj estas originale anglaj kantoj, kiuj staras traduktitaj en Esperanto-kantaroj. Pro tio mi bone konas la melodion, cxar mi kutimas kanti ilin ankaux angle aux Germane. Tio signifas por mi nun, ke mi suficxe devas ekzerci por eviti, ke miaj fingroj doloras dum la gitarludado en la Esperanto semajnfino. Sed gxenerale mi ne tiom sxatas sidi en mia logxejo kaj tie TUTSOLA ludi gitaron kaj kanti. Sed por la Esperanto-semajnfino tio estas nun necesa.
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 20 March 2011 at 9:42pm
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5327 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 666 of 868 21 March 2011 at 2:22pm | IP Logged |
Fasulye wrote:
In class we have some students who have a lot of pronounciation problems, |
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I could not help laughing out loud when I read this,so my children wanted to know what I was laughing about. So at the risk of incurring the wrath of Iversen, I'll quote their immediate reaction, which was : "Who hasn't".
I adore the Danes, and I understand 99 % of what I hear and read in Danish, but pronouncing it is a different cup of tea alltogether.
On the other hand, since you speak Dutch you may be better prepared. I must admit that in Norway, Dutch and Danish are considered to be just like German and Norwegian, pronounced with a hot potatoe in you mouth. :-)
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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5840 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 668 of 868 21 March 2011 at 7:14pm | IP Logged |
Kuikentje wrote:
hahahaha!!! Dutch is ugly (the pronunciation I mean, especially in the Randstad's dialects) but it's not difficult to pronounce. The words and spelling are exactly like the pronunciation, and the letters aren't omitted or mumbled like in Danish. In effect, many Dutch are shouting their language, and speak very clearly all the words. I can speak very well Dutch, nearly native level but I can't speak Danish at all, therefore it's not possible make a balanced comparison but the impression which I have of Danish is that the pronunciation's much more difficult. |
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I agree with Kuikentje on this topic, because the pronoucation of Dutch and Danish is quite different. Kuikentje explains, why. I like the sound of Dutch very much, by the way. Danish is tricky, but with my memo recorder training and A LOT OF listening to audios and shadowing I succeeded to get a feeling for the Danish pronounciation inclusive the very difficult letter "soft d". It's possible to learn the correct pronouciation, but it needs much more practise than with other languages.
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 22 March 2011 at 6:19am
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5327 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 669 of 868 21 March 2011 at 9:22pm | IP Logged |
I have often wondered how long it would take a Norwegian to learn to pronounce Danish if they really put their mind to it, and was given the right coaching an input. I know that Norwegian students in Denmark were scorned for not speaking Danish, and a lot of Danes in Norway go a lifetime without learning proper Norwegian. Our king Haakon, for instance, who was originally a Danish prince, never learned to speak Norwegian, and stuck to Danish to the day he died.
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| ReneeMona Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5328 days ago 864 posts - 1274 votes Speaks: Dutch*, EnglishC2 Studies: French
| Message 670 of 868 21 March 2011 at 10:04pm | IP Logged |
Kuikentje wrote:
hahahaha!!! Dutch is ugly (the pronunciation I mean, especially in the Randstad's dialects) |
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En bedankt. :)
Kuikentje wrote:
but it's not difficult to pronounce. The words and spelling are exactly like the pronunciation, and the letters aren't omitted or mumbled like in Danish. |
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I don't know anything about Danish but I just wanted to mention that Dutch spelling isn't entirely phonetic (just think of a word like bijzonder) and as for omitting letters and words, I frequently hear a sentence like "Ze heeft het je toch gezegd?" pronounced as "zeeftje togezeg?". ;-)
Edited by ReneeMona on 21 March 2011 at 10:06pm
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6696 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 672 of 868 21 March 2011 at 11:18pm | IP Logged |
Well well well Kuikentje, you wrote that Dutch was ugly and ReneeMona is of course entitled to defend her language. As for Danish, I have stated a couple of times that we can can speak very slowly and carefully, and then Danish ortography is not too far from being phonetic. The problem is that we normally don't have time for that. I recently saw a reference to some research on the internet where it was claimed that Danes utter something like one and a half times as many words (or the leftovers thereof) as Swedes do within any given time period. So it is hardly surprising that the result can seem somewhat cryptic.
Edited by Iversen on 22 March 2011 at 12:02am
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