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| Cherepaha Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6590 days ago 126 posts - 175 votes  Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Polish, Latin, French | Message 33 of 43 08 May 2010 at 11:02am | IP Logged | |||||
Thank you very much, Delodephius. From the first hearing I could say that it is something about "brotherly spirit", and that it sounds really lovely. This is roughly what I hear: Pšetsi ludja sorodja slobodni a sebjarovni, džusadeiku i dostojnostju a pravi, su obdareni rozumom a maju navzoju jednot v bratskom duhu. Here are the portions that I am guessing at understanding: Pšetsi [1] ludja sorodja slobodni a sebjarovni džusadeiku i [2] dostojnostju a pravi , [3] su obdareni rozumom a maju navzoju jednot v bratskom duhu . [1] human nations (are) free and equal [2] dignity and rights [3] (they) have been given intelligence and find [..?] unity in the brotherly spirit P.S. Is palatalized "t" in "jednost" somehow indicated in writing? I keep on wanting to write it down in Cyrillic in order to be able to communicate the nuance of sounds: "Пшетцы людья сородья слободны а себяровны, джусадеику и достойностью а правы, су обдарены розумом а маю навзою едноть в братском духу." 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Delodephius Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 5404 days ago 342 posts - 501 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Serbo-Croatian*, EnglishC1, Czech Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 34 of 43 08 May 2010 at 11:27am | IP Logged | |||||
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Actually this is the text I was reading:
Všetci ľudia sa rodia slobodní a sebe rovní, čo sa týka ich dôstojnosti a práv. Sú obdarení rozumom a majú navzájom jednať v bratskom duchu. And here is the Russian version: Все люди рождаются свободными и равными в своем достоинстве и правах. Они наделены разумом и совестью и должны поступать в отношении друг друга в духе братства. I have the text in almost all Slavic languages if you would like to see? Edited by Delodephius on 08 May 2010 at 11:29am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Euphorion Hexaglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5341 days ago 106 posts - 147 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Czech, EnglishC2, GermanC1, SpanishC2, French | Message 35 of 43 08 May 2010 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well done Cherepaha, I see that you understood what it was about very well. Im happy to see the theory works :)
Delodephius, you have a very nice pronunciation, I must say, unlike me - even though I speak Slovak at home, I always get a slight Czech accent over here in Prague which I have to get rid of every time I go to Slovakia. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7157 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 36 of 43 08 May 2010 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
This idea of Slovak being the least mutually unintelligible natural language for other Slavs has been brought up before. how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1954 6&PN=1&TPN=6#222530
I thought that Slovio was supposed to be most understandable for every Slav. :-P 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Delodephius Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 5404 days ago 342 posts - 501 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Serbo-Croatian*, EnglishC1, Czech Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 37 of 43 09 May 2010 at 1:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
Well my dialect has suffered absolutely 0% influence from Czech, because I don't live in Slovakia. It has suffered little from Serbian too. Mainly because here in Vojvodina the situation is mostly one language per village. So I basically speak a dialect that has remained almost unchanged for over 250 years because of relative isolation from other languages. And yet we are all bilingual or polyglots, it's just we try to keep the border between the languages clear. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cherepaha Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6590 days ago 126 posts - 175 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Polish, Latin, French | Message 38 of 43 12 May 2010 at 10:06am | IP Logged | |||||
Thank you, Delodephius. Yes, it'll be very interesting to see. I am assuming you are talking about the recordings at the Omniglot site? This is what I found, please let me know if I should look at anything in addition to this impressive library: http://www.omniglot.com/soundfiles/
:). I am glad, too, Euphorion. It may be a particularly favorable text for understanding, as when I follow the URLs posted by Chung in some earlier thread to the WorldReference.com, the Slovak weather forecast is very difficult to follow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QCmAZYsUy8&eurl=http://vide o.google.com/videosearch?q=stv+po%C4%8Dasie&www_google_domai n=www.google.com&emb=0) This whole discussion made me dive into a very interesting exploration, though. Thank you for that! P.S. "Stupnew" appears to mean "degrees (Centigrade)". If that is so, does anybody happen to know the etymology of this word in Slovak? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Delodephius Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 5404 days ago 342 posts - 501 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Serbo-Croatian*, EnglishC1, Czech Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 39 of 43 12 May 2010 at 10:45am | IP Logged | |||||
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The singular form "stupeň" meaning "degrees" derives from the same root as the verb "stúpať" which means "to step", "to make steps". Thus "stup" would mean the same as English "step". "Stupeň" can also mean "level"
Also, here is an attempt to translate the UDHR Article 1 into Old Church Slavonic. There are three different versions, even though there can be more. Вьси людиѥ своимь достоиньствомь и правы свободь и равьни сѧ раждаѭтъ: Обдарѥни сѫтъ разѹмомь и съвѣстиѭ· и творити же имъ себѣ iако братри: Вьси людиѥ своимь достоиньствомь и правы свободь и равьни сѧ раждаѭтъ: Обдарѥни сѫтъ разѹмомь и съвѣстиѭ· и дѣiати же си имѫтъ братрьскы: Вьси человѣци своимь достоиньствомь и правы свободь и равьни сѧ родѧтъ: Обдарѥни сѫтъ разѹмомь и съвѣстиѭ· и принимати же имъ дроугъ дроуга iако братри: Edited by Delodephius on 12 May 2010 at 10:56am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cherepaha Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6590 days ago 126 posts - 175 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Polish, Latin, French | Message 40 of 43 12 May 2010 at 11:12am | IP Logged | |||||
I see, that meaning is clear. Delodephius, what is the meteorologist saying at minutes 1:05-1:06 in the weather forecast I'd referenced in my last post, if you don't mind looking? It sounds like "Až minus 9 stupnew".
I find all three very clear with "творити" ~ to create/do onto, "дѣiати" ~to do, and "принимати" ~accept as the chief difference. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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