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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6730 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 17 of 27 27 April 2011 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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The original Rosetta Stone may not have been put up for pedagogical purposes, but it was very useful when Champollion wanted to learn Old Egyptian.
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| DavidCarter Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4963 days ago 2 posts - 3 votes Speaks: Latin | Message 19 of 27 21 May 2011 at 2:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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I also read this article and had a long correspondence with Mr Blum about it. I teach
Latin and Greek here in the UK. Interlinears have been around for many years (e.g. in bibles) but I hadn't realised that James Hamilton built a whole method of teaching around it. Hamilton achieved astonishing results. I've been trying out his method on my own students. We've read 40 stories from Ritchie's Fabulae Faciles (I made an interlinear translation) without studying any grammar. I have no idea how much grammar they've taken in, but they can read new stories pretty well so their language level is high. My feeling is that Hamilton instinctively figured out Krashen's comprehensible input theory (when you give students new words, give them the meaning of the words at the same time; the brain will then figure out automatically how the language works). There's a good article summarising Hamilton's work by Henry S Salt, especially the last sentence! Just search Google on henry salt hamiltonian. Many interlinears are becoming available as on-demand reprints. For Greek the key ones to get are Iliad 1-VI and Xenophon's Anabasis (faint type but usable). For Latin the Sallust has come out and Juvenal (but the Horace is NOT an interlinear - it's mis- titled on Google books). I always get the versions issued by Nabu Books as they zoom the printing by 125% or so and the books are easier to read. Hamiltonians re-arrange the words into English word order and a reader here has complained about this. I disagree. English word order immediately makes the sentence clear. The Hamiltonian version of Juvenal (Corson) keeps the original word order and the whole thing is just a jigsaw puzzle. Personally, I am sold on interlinears and regard the Google Books reprints of the Hamilton Clark series as the most important event in Latin and Greek teaching for the last 50 years. Edited by DavidCarter on 21 May 2011 at 9:00pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6299 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 20 of 27 21 May 2011 at 2:35pm | IP Logged | ||
If "astonishing results" were achieved, why isn't the interlinear method more popular? Perhaps there were vested interests that didn't favour it, but there have always been conservative barriers to new inventions, new methods, etc. These are often overcome, but not in this case, it would seem. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| dmaddock1 Senior Member United States Joined 5460 days ago 174 posts - 426 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Esperanto, Latin, Ancient Greek | Message 21 of 27 21 May 2011 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for the article suggestion DavidCarter. I've been using Hamilton's greek Gospel of John since I
started this thread and have definitely felt my greek improve with the extensive exposure to input. Of course, I had a fair amount of grammar learning behind me before I started. William Camden, I think to a certain degree it has lived on in methods like Assimil which have heavy use of bilingual dialogs. (probably not direct lineage, but the ideas are certainly similar.) This method was pretty popular in its day, particularly with latin and greek, but the widespread teaching of those languages has also fallen of a cliff in the last 100 years. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| DavidCarter Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4963 days ago 2 posts - 3 votes Speaks: Latin | Message 22 of 27 21 May 2011 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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William Camden, Hamilton's ideas were vehemently opposed by schoolmasters and professors.
Even today, the idea of handing out translations is simply unthinkable for most Latin teachers; to them it is "dumbing down"(at least here in the UK, maybe not in the US). For example, I don't know of any Latin or Greek teaching books that provide answer keys. The student is required to work it out for himself. This is held to be intellectually rigorous and a virtue. Edited by DavidCarter on 21 May 2011 at 8:45pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6466 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 23 of 27 22 May 2011 at 2:43am | IP Logged | ||
Adler's does. Latinium has links to it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| FuroraCeltica Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6892 days ago 1187 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 24 of 27 01 June 2011 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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This looks like an excellent system
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