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| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4875 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 945 of 1702 17 May 2013 at 10:28am | IP Logged | ||
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I kind of notice the same... I can more often than not split up the sentences I hear,
though I often mistakes the ぎ-sound for some reason; for instance, I hear「異議なし」 as「いいなし」. However, I think you are overthinking the SRS issue way too much... I've stuck with the same method -- sentences, self-input -- for almost a year and I don't really feel that it's impeding my progress; I honestly couldn't imagine that I woold get so far within a year. What do you actually want from a flashcard program? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5186 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 946 of 1702 17 May 2013 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | ||
A while back I bought this windows software for learning German. It came with a transparent languages thing I found in the bargain bin at Best Buy. I used it a little at the time but wasn't really into flashcards for whatever reason and then years later I dusted it off and found out I loved it. It had a fun Leitner style way of doing things. So I've been looking for something that improved on that software and worked on my phone. The Transparent languages software tested you from the target language to English 1st, then after you'd gotten it right that way enough it switched it to testing you to do it from English to the target language. It also had some nice graphics that made studying a little more fun. Nothing too special. The Living Language software is still around for Windows. It goes by Byki and they sell it for $70. That's kind of a lot for a flashcard app, but not out of the question for me if I thought it were the best - but it's just Windows only. They sell some apps on the app store but they're pretty bad. So I really have been looking for a replacement for that. The one I use now hasn't been able to be beat by anyone else but I'm not totally happy with it. I don't like the Leitner system since the formula used is a bit simplistic. It doesn't handle large decks at all. If you download a large deck of say 1000+ cards, then it will force all of those 1000 cards on you at once. It doesn't split them up for you intelligently - you basically will be tested on a card, it will repeat it 10 cards later until you get it right, and then won't see it it again until it cycles through all of the 1000 cards. The idea is to get a streak of 10 (you can change that setting). If you get it wrong at streak 9, then it resets the streak to 0 and you have to start all over with that card. When it reaches 10, then it is taken out of the deck. The app will space the repetitions of the cards out according to the streak so if you have a streak of 4, then it will skip showing you that card for the next 4 runs through the whole deck. The SRS formula I think is better developed than the Leitner one. It's pretty much what you get with Anki. You can add however many new cards you want and the app will space out showing you the card again per the SRS formula. So once you get a card correct for the day, you won't see it for 8 hours (the default minimum). You can change it so that the app tests you however you want it to do it. But it won't intelligently go from kanji + Furigana > English then Kanji > English then English > Kanji or anything of the sort. You can setup separate decks to test you for these with separate statistics and what not. I really miss the Transparent Languages intelligently sorting the cards for me and elevating the difficulty level as I got more familiar with the cards. I keep looking for something that will do that on my mobile device. I don't want to be tied to my computer. It would be nice if it didn't cost $70 too, but I'd pay it. They give you some content for that $70 but not a lot - just beginner stuff. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5186 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 947 of 1702 17 May 2013 at 5:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Couple other things for the flashcard program.. audio is good since I have Rikai-sama available and a good text to speech program too. And I want it to let me add my own vocabulary as opposed to being stuck with their lists. And there needs to be a way to add kanji information (IE Heisig meanings or just meanings if they're not Heisig kanji). Ability to synch between devices is good too.
iKnow is a great way to study except you are stuck with their lists.. well I haven't tried the option to make your own. I could give it a look I got the impression it's a pain. The Japanese Dictionary flashcards on my iOS is really looking like a winner. But I have to use it more to be sure. I had it crash on me several times last night which isn't good. But I hadn't rebooted my iPad in ages so that seemed to help. Not that any other apps noticed at all. It doesn't do audio and it doesn't do any kind of synching but I can compromise. I'm gonna take a look at the custom user lists on iKnow.jp though. However, I don't think i'm going to renew my subscription to their service when it expires.. paying a monthly fee for flashcards gets old. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5186 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 948 of 1702 17 May 2013 at 6:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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And I mentioned that I was doing just lists of vocab on a piece of paper.. the beauty of this method is you can totally control the difficulty. You can cover up whatever parts you want and retest yourself whenever you like. If a word is a pain you can retest it after you check yourself of just 1 word then increase the interval to 10 words or whatever. Of course you can set aside your list of vocabulary and forget to retest it for months. Not such a good thing.
Anyway, I'm gonna take a break from the vocabulary lists and flashcards and focus on Harry Potter. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5186 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 949 of 1702 17 May 2013 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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Ok I lied. I am still obsessing over getting the SRS Flashcards setup just the way I want them. I think I am closing in on it. You folks aren't familiar with my Flashcard app Flashcards Deluxe so specifics probably just sound confusing. Essentially I wanted to have it mix up the way it tested me on side 1. Within the app there's some options for this but clearly I'm not happy with them. However, one guy on the apps forums gave me the idea of just uploading the same deck 3 times with side 1 being whatever you want to test. Again, there's lots of ways to configure a deck within the app so I never even thought of this. I think it's going to work well. I'm gonna actually upload the deck three times. I want to test myself reading kanji, listening to Japanese audio, and producing Japanese by looking at the English. The latter can get frustrating if you haven't seen a card in a while because you might think of a synonym but it's still good practice I think. If it's an obscure word or whatever you can just give yourself a correct response so it'll go away.
What I'm looking for now is an efficient way to add RTK/English meanings of the kanji to the cards. Some guy made a nice android app that lets you copy a word into and it gives you a list of the RTK meanings. Great for copying and pasting into flashcards. It has its limitations - it only does RTK1 and it puts in question marks if there's kana in the word so you have to delete the kana. Anyway. I have a couple of ideas. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5186 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 950 of 1702 17 May 2013 at 6:46pm | IP Logged | ||
I got focused on your last question. How do you setup your sentence decks? Do you put sentence side 1 and sentence + vocab on side 2 with readings? And btw congratulations on your progress that's great that you're ahead of schedule. I was thinking of doing this. It's a slow way to input cards when you can just highlight a word and press 's' with rikai-sama and be done. But it gives you a context and an image and it's really nice. But what about the kanji? You're probably not familiar with a lot of the kanji you're seeing.. what do you do about that? On my cards I have the kanji meanings on side 2 to help with learning. I am kind of hooked on that. Edited by kraemder on 17 May 2013 at 6:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5186 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 951 of 1702 17 May 2013 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've never really given sentence decks a fair shot. I am going to do it for two weeks and then decide. I mean it this time lol. I am pretty optimistic about a straight up vocab deck as per my recent posts but I want to try this sentence thing for real. I'll just ignore my old cards/decks for these two weeks, start reading, and make new sentence only cards. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the kanji. I'm somewhat familiar with a very large amount of kanji already but I haven't reviewed RTK in ages and never did RTK 3 either. As I think about it, the way I will be making the decks, adding kanji meanings is very doable.
Unless someone gives me a better alternative idea, I'm going to put the sentence on side 1 and then side 2 will show sentence + vocab. The vocab will include a kanji keyword meaning (generally RTK meaning if I know it or can figure it out with the Rikai Kanji dictionary). The sentences will have no English sentence translation per se. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4875 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish | Message 952 of 1702 17 May 2013 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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You should probably include furigana on the back as well. ;)
My cards are Side 1: [SENTENCE - with new vocab bolded] Side 2: [SENTENCE - with new vocab bolded] [VOCABULARY - usually only one word] [READING - sentence with auto-generated* furigana] *I do check for mistakes and I can't stand okurigana in the furigana and some stupid errors like giving hiragana furigana for the katakana part of words like テレビ局, 白バイ, etc. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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