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dampingwire
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 Message 1129 of 1702
27 October 2013 at 3:25pm | IP Logged 
kraemder wrote:
And I'm feeling better regarding my car accident (I was hit while
riding my bicycle - nothing broken just really sore)so I'm getting back into studying.


I was knocked off my bike a while ago, so I know how you feel. (Mind you, I was hit by
another bike, not a car!). Glad to hear you're getting better.

kraemder wrote:

I totally get why people who didn't do RTK at the beginning just can't get into it
later on in their studying. It's time consuming and you're questioning if it's even
worth it.


I think RTK is a bit like marmite - you either love it or hate it. I don't find it
takes much time. Currently it's 10m-15m per day. Now that I'm trying to learn kanji for
all my vocab I'm finding it pretty useful to remember a keyword for each kanji ... it
even seems to help make the kanji "readings" make sense.

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g-bod
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 Message 1130 of 1702
27 October 2013 at 3:48pm | IP Logged 
dampingwire wrote:
kraemder wrote:
And I'm feeling better regarding my car accident (I was hit while
riding my bicycle - nothing broken just really sore)so I'm getting back into studying.


I was knocked off my bike a while ago, so I know how you feel. (Mind you, I was hit by
another bike, not a car!). Glad to hear you're getting better.



I also managed to come off my bike last weekend. Although this one was entirely my own fault. I thought I could take on a six foot branch which had fallen across the cycle path. The branch won...

I'm glad you didn't come to any serious harm and hope you can get back on your bike soon.

As for RTK, I knew pretty much from the outset that it wasn't for me. I think it was because, even when I knew nothing about Japanese or kanji as a beginner, I was just put off by the evangelical way some of its biggest fans spoke about it online. I think if you genuinely enjoy RTK and are motivated to complete it, that's fine. It doesn't appeal to me, but neither do lots of things that other people seem to enjoy. However, if you have to force yourself to do it, you might just as well force yourself to do something else involving learning a bit of vocabulary at the same time, which is what has worked for me.
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cathrynm
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 Message 1131 of 1702
27 October 2013 at 5:05pm | IP Logged 
Yeah, don't underestimate the N3. I failed the N3 by 5 points in 2010. For me it's a little odd. The Japanese language school I go to has class for N2, but not one for N3, so in 2011 I figured I was close enough on N3 and just went for N2 instead.   Everyone in my group at this school, some of us are serial N2 failers, though some pass and move onto the N1 -- it's all cool. In 2012 I failed N2 a second time, this time in 2013 will be my third run at the N2.
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kraemder
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 Message 1132 of 1702
29 October 2013 at 7:54pm | IP Logged 
Oh I already failed the N4 last year. I am not underestimating the N3 but that doesn't mean I know the best way to prepare either. I'm kind of hitting panic mode with just a month to go. It'll be hard to make a lot of progress in a month.. crap.

My internet service is back up thankfully. Some wire outside my apartment was messed up. The tech guy said he's supposed to charge me but he wouldn't since really it's the apartment complex's responsibility to maintain the wires. Weird. Yeah I'd have been upset if I'd have to pay for the wiring outside my apartment. I'd definitely have sent the bill to the home office and complained. Not sure how far I'd get. Really bad luck lately for me it seems. T-mobile is claiming they never got the iphone I returned in the mail last June. That's roughly $865 gone if I can't convince them to pay it. Distracting to say the least. I used USPS Priority and their website says delivered but it only gives the zip code.. not the address they delivered it to. Which is frankly kind of useless for any kind of dispute.

Anyway. I missed the online lesson last Sunday due to no internet service (my cell phone isn't good enough to get me by unfortunately). I'm signed up for several lessons now. I'm doing the JOI lessons and vocab pretty much. A combination of iKnow (their website) and my own SRS program where I test myself to draw the kanji etc viewing/hearing the kana. It's a good way to drill the kanji for words so I know them well. Not the most time efficient way to learn a lot of vocab though. It is kind of satisfying to learn to correctly write words by hand...

I'm thinking I'm gonna have to work in some grammar routine too though. Previously I was good at grammar and I think weaker on the vocab which hurt me the most on the reading section. Based on the listening exercise I did a week ago on JOI I think my listening to good enough for the test and not really something I need to focus on per se.

Not getting much sleep this week due to being busy in the morning before work with stuff that needs to be done O.o anyway.
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kraemder
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 Message 1133 of 1702
01 November 2013 at 8:13am | IP Logged 
Feeling kind of yucky today. I had a little too much to drink last night (and I told myself I wouldn't even drink until after the N3..).   Well I'm telling myself that again. I actually think I can do it since the corner store stopped carrying the hard apple cider I'm so addicted to. It was just too conveniently placed.

I had another lesson JOI. I kind of struggle to be fluent when I talk and I think this other girl was doing a better job at it and it surprised me that for the exercises my vocabulary was better than everyone else's. On one exercise she had to go so far as to ask for an English translation of the whole sentence. Weird. But my vocab so darn passive. Very frustrating.

iKnow is going pretty well. One drawback with it is that it tests you English to Japanese but you can't give yourself hints to avoid synonyms. But I don't think it punishes you as much for a wrong response as your typical SRS program will.    
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kraemder
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 Message 1134 of 1702
02 November 2013 at 8:41am | IP Logged 
I got a new phone today. I finally got what refund from my iPhone from back last spring. It
was a long time coming and I'll be relieved to see the money in my account. Anyway. I got the
note 3. The big screen is really amazing and it's pretty light weight considering. And fast.
I had to root it to get the Japanese fonts working properly. It was annoying because I had to
download a 1.6gig file three times for so easy reason. And the trick of just using the change
local app so the whole phone is in Japanese doesn't work anymore. Samsung removed the
permissions. I'm using this font called aqua font though. I like it although it takes a
little getting used to. It's a handwritten font and looks a little messy. I like how I can
change the fonts on android but I couldn't on iPhone. At least I don't think you can. The
built in keyboard is pretty good too. I'm making myself use it instead of swiftkey because
it's really easy to switch to Japanese. Just slide your finger on the space bar. On android,
the iKnow app let's you go landscape which is much preferable to portrait for me. And a nice
thing about Android is that there's a sound format used in a lot of videos but the copyright
holders won't let app makers use it on iOS. Android is no problem though. This player XM
Player also works well and plays these huge blu-ray rips without any problems. If apple makes
a phablet, I might want that but otherwise this phone should be good for a while.

Oh, lately I've been watching everything without subs. Sometimes I don't think the understand
get is hurt much and others I'm pretty clueless. But I don't have any desire for now to
watch with subs regardless.
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kraemder
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 Message 1135 of 1702
03 November 2013 at 3:47am | IP Logged 
I'm not going to say I'm watching anything without
subs ever again. It jinxes it.
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kraemder
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 Message 1136 of 1702
03 November 2013 at 8:36am | IP Logged 
Well messing with my new phone and my flashcard app. I did watch a couple shows with English subs. But then I got a copy of 進撃の巨人 with Japanese subs. I think it has Chinese subs on it at the same time. The Chinese subs are in a bigger font (/sigh) but the Japanese is right below it. It seems really helpful but I just started watching and I'm going to go do a quick workout I've been putting off. My tutor and I have been using scripts from this anime to study. I haven't prepared for class however and I'm feeling guilty about that. The anime is really exciting and right up my alley but I'm noticing right away the language they use isn't really good for language learners per se. But since I like it a lot I think that balances it out.


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