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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1457 of 1702 10 August 2014 at 2:44am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thanks Evita. I'll work on learning those rules - I'm sure it'll help a lot.
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| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1458 of 1702 10 August 2014 at 5:15am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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@sitzen
I often felt like I was saying 洗濯機 wrong and couldn't figure out why. Thanks for clearing that up. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4770 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 1459 of 1702 10 August 2014 at 10:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Mind if I join in the nitpicking? ;)
The actual realization of ん before vowels, y and apparently a few other sounds (different Wikipedia pages disagree on which ones) is a nasalized vowel. Also, the "default" pronunciation of ん that only appears at the end of utterances is apparently a consonant different from the な-row initial. Edited by vonPeterhof on 10 August 2014 at 10:38am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| dampingwire Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4663 days ago 1185 posts - 1513 votes Speaks: English*, Italian*, French Studies: Japanese | Message 1460 of 1702 10 August 2014 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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洗濯機 has an apparently perfectly valid pronunciation of せんたっき.
I have to say when I started Japanese it seemed odd that a word like つきます would be spelled out (slowly) as tsu-ki-ma-su and yet the "u" of tsu vanishes in the pronunciation (as - mostly - does the "u" of "masu", but that's highlighted really early on). It's just something you get used to. One of the free lessons on one of the pay-for websites did the same thing with 女の人, which when said at speed (at least on this one site) seemed, to me, to finish if しと. I just got a polite are-your-ears-working-properly sort of look from my tutor when I mentioned this. To be fair, English must be completely off the scale in comparison. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sizen Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4337 days ago 165 posts - 347 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Catalan, Spanish, Japanese, Ukrainian, German | Message 1461 of 1702 10 August 2014 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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vonPeterhof bringing the knowledge! And a good thing too! My knowledge is almost
entirely based of anecdotal observations I've made, which have only occasionally been verified by my friends studying linguistics, so I'm grateful that somebody here is able to give me the true linguistic facts behind some of the bs I say. :) It's good to know the real origin of the word "Yen". When I was in Japan, I was told the story I mentioned before by multiple Japanese people, and it seemed logical enough. I just went with it! Also, things make more sense now that the name "nasal vowel" has come up for describing that sound. As somebody with experience with nasal vowels, it's just a teensy bit embarrassing that I always called it "a weird 'y' sound" up until now.
The opposite of this happens in Tokyo sometimes. (At least in my experience) There are people who will pronounce し as ひ. When I was studying in Shinjuku, I even had the displeasure of being invited to a ひぎょうひき once. Of course, that was before I realized it was a 始業式 and that I was obligated to go. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1462 of 1702 21 August 2014 at 6:09am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Sort of an update. I'm watching breaking bad on Netflix on my iPad in bed and felt like updating. I'm doing
some training for work so I'm using that as an excuse to not learn for now. I took several days off totally from studying but I'm picking it back up and getting caught up on my reviews. I'm juggling Japanese and Korean and I'm still signed up for the course which will start next week and I'm very excited about that. I'm slightly tempted to mix in Spanish somehow but I don't see how I can do more than 2 languages at once. I'm still thinking of attempting the JLPT N2 this December but since I'm doing korean too I know my chances of passing are going down but that's ok with me. I think for studying I'm going to just take vocab from anime and so the Japanese online institute courses. It's frustrating bit I've given up on production flash cards for Korean. They're just too hard. I am doing cards with audio and the Korean writing on side 1. Production in Japanese is no problem. Back to breaking bad. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| kraemder Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5182 days ago 1497 posts - 1648 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 1463 of 1702 28 August 2014 at 7:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I had my first Korean class today. I have been waiting a while for it to start which is kind of sad that I have no
life and going to class is what passes for a social life for me. But it's all good. The teacher looks really young. The course is through my local community college so she probably has a graduate degree of some kind and I'm guessing she's mid to late 20's. She seems kind of inexperienced but also is really nice and well easy in the eyes. The class has a large variety of people. We did an exercise where we broke into groups and said hello and my name is such and such in Korean. I'm glad I started already as it's obviously going to help and there are a few false beginners in the class although if anyone is really good they hid it. I guess I'll get a better feel for that in the weeks to come. We learned a couple of things in class - how to say I have a question, I/he/she reads, writes, sees. Goodbye (two, depending on if you're staying or leaving). And hello. I figured everyone would already be able to say hello and I was right. But after hello we're all kind of shaky it seems. She finished the class with a short video on Hangul. Which is kind of lazy I think but it was an interesting video. The narrator had a British accent and it explained how documents were found in the last century showing how king Sejol the great (or something) invented it in secret to empower the masses and how scientific it is etc. and the video showed how a few other languages have adopted Hangul as the official alphabet for their languages despite having no relation to Korean at all. Sorry they're obscure languages and I don't remember them. It's been bugging me that when I try to speak Korean I'll often think of japanese instead (shocking right?) and particularly just the word すごい. Such a simple useful japanese word. I've noticed a lot of japanese speakers are interested in the korean language so I thought she might know a bit of japanese too and asked how to say すごい in Korean. She does speak a little japanese although I have no idea how much. But she translated it for me. She said that three words come to mind. So there isn't a really nice convenient one to one translation for it which obviously is what I was hoping for. It's more like translations すごい into English. You could say great, good, amazing, impressive or whatever depending. But it made me happy to get an answer. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| kujichagulia Senior Member Japan Joined 4845 days ago 1031 posts - 1571 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese | Message 1464 of 1702 28 August 2014 at 8:27am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's interesting. I seem to often hear おんなのふぃと. I also notice something similar to Sizen, especially with seven (しち - 七). Instead of hearing しちじ for ７時, I often hear ひちじ. Same with ７月. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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