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| Faraday Senior Member United States Joined 6119 days ago 129 posts - 256 votes  Speaks: German* | Message 41 of 131 03 July 2011 at 2:44am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I have to laugh at the sheer comedy here of berating non-constructive comments in a thread designated to be non-
constructive!
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| Kitchen.Sink Newbie United States Joined 6181 days ago 20 posts - 67 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 42 of 131 03 July 2011 at 3:04am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I'm impressed. You were very keen to catch that seeming contradiction. But do please try reading the last two sentences of my original post. Try being every bit as discerning as you were with the first two sentences. If you take the time to look beneath the surface, you will see that it is a work of rhetoric that employs rhetorical devices throughout. It helps to read things to their completion before you jump to conclusions. And notice, too, how by trying to argue with me you further derail the conversation and do nothing but contradict your own statement about the value of honey over vinegar. Edited by Kitchen.Sink on 03 July 2011 at 3:09am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Faraday Senior Member United States Joined 6119 days ago 129 posts - 256 votes Speaks: German* | Message 43 of 131 03 July 2011 at 3:20am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Thin-skinned AND inflated sense of self-worth: not a good combination for language learning, friend! Good luck with your Korean. 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kitchen.Sink Newbie United States Joined 6181 days ago 20 posts - 67 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 44 of 131 03 July 2011 at 3:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
But...where is the honey you spoke so highly of only a few posts ago? 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5229 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 45 of 131 03 July 2011 at 3:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I don't think that affects the type of material you have access to. Whether or not grammar is left out of LingQ, or Google translate is used, would seem to be beside the point, since I was merely suggesting using it to work on listening comprehension, your problem, as I understand--I presume you've learned grammar and vocabulary elsewhere, or at least can. To every task a tool. If the transcripts do not match the audio, that's a significant problem. I find small problems from time to time in the Spanish transcripts, but am generally pleased with the presentation. I have no idea how trustworthy the Korean is in this respect. There seems to be some self-correction involved--people leave comments noting mistakes and I believe the transcripts are modified in response. So if there were mistakes before, I presume there are less now. I'll happily admit to being one of the great unwashed who dared to venture an opinion without studying the language. I treat the forums as a friendly place, despite occasional aberrations, where people are free to speculate and ask questions of each other--not an academic journal where one is required to have ironclad expertise before opening his mouth, and certainly not an environment where anyone should be insulted. Though I suppose nothing necessitates it being so, that seems a pleasant aim to me. I can only imagine it is your frustration with Korean that has driven you to such piqued responses, in which case, I join everyone else in hoping you overcome this hurdle soon. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5767 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 46 of 131 03 July 2011 at 5:43am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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God, does this have to escalate? Could you guys please think about what you've written before you actually post it?
1.) Korean is a challenge. That doesn't mean there aren't languages out there that aren't more difficult to learn; I bet there are. 2.) It is possible that there are people for whom the acquisition of Korean phonology is easier than for others. If that is the case, I surely belong to the 'others'. 3.) The only thing that helped me so far was an incredible amount of repetition and using Japanese words/grammar as a model if possible. I would really like suggestions that tackle the actual phonology issue. What I tried so far with subs2srs was still too difficult, so my next plan was to actually memorize every single lesson of my Assimil Korean, and then ask the guys from TTMIK if they could also make a phonology/dictation series. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 47 of 131 03 July 2011 at 6:18am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I've had several friends who have studied Mandarin and Korean. They have said that Mandarin is harder all around, and especially in the beginning, citing much harder pronunciation. Actually, this forum is the only place I know that thinks Korean is the hardest language.
Been watching a lot of sci-fi lately? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Kitchen.Sink Newbie United States Joined 6181 days ago 20 posts - 67 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 48 of 131 03 July 2011 at 6:29am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Your friends are free to have their opinions, but Korean being the hardest language for someone of a Western background is not at all a claim relegated to people on these forums. Here's an interview with Barry Farber. Third question. What's the hardest language you've ever attacked? For two different reasons, Finnish and Korean. http://meadowparty.com/farber.html Read what Professor Arguelles, a polyglot who used to post on these forums had to say. http://how-to- learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=10 The Defense Language Institute. Korean is the hardest language here, apparently it is 75 weeks long now, and they are trying to make it a Cat V language. http://usmilitary.abou t.com/cs/education/a/dliarticle_5.htm Here's a scientific study done on how it takes native Korean speaking children longer to absorb certain aspects of their grammar (up to five years of age) than the children of any other language. --->Lee, H. and Wexler, K.: 1987, 'The acquisition of reflexives and pronouns in Korean', Paper delivered at the 12th Annual Boston University Conference on Language Development. Another polyglot on Korean. The average person, normal people who haven't dedicated their lives to being language and martial arts study-monks, would imagine that learning Chinese is about the hardest things someone could do. But two weeks into my study of Korean, I began to suspect that Korean was harder. Six months later, when I could read and write with ease, and possessed thousands of vocabulary words, and countless grammatical structures, but still couldn't order off a menu, I was convinced, Korean is the hardest of the ten languages I have studied. http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/39 36 There's plenty more of this out there on the internet. Korean is considered to be the hardest language there is, not just by polyglots, but even by language learning institutions. It is not at all isolated to these forums. Edited by Kitchen.Sink on 03 July 2011 at 6:44am 11 persons have voted this message useful |
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