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| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6577 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 9 of 19 26 October 2011 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Nice post. What did your anki decks look like? I got the impression from your post that this study period was all
listening/shadowing. That would mean audio cards only though, which for some reason doesn't ring true. Did your knowledge of Japanese allow you to make normal text cards without the extra effort of learning characters? Did you learn pinyin somewhere along the way? Just curious. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6609 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 10 of 19 27 October 2011 at 9:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
My Anki deck started out as recognition and production, and when I tested recognition I'd write the character on a piece of paper if I had one handy, or with my finger in the air otherwise. After a while, as the deck grew, I started doing sound only in production (still using characters for recognition) to speed up practice. In the end, the last couple of months before I went to China, I wanted to really up my character recognition count to get to reading native materials, so I ditched the production altogether. My knowledge of Japanese is limited to "Cowabunga" and "Domo arigato, Mister Roboto", and as I don't know the characters for that, this was of little use. I did Pinyin from the very start. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6577 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 11 of 19 28 October 2011 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sorry for my senility. Should have read your profile before posting. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5408 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 12 of 19 19 October 2012 at 3:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Ari, could you provide some insight as to what your specific regimen helped you achieve that you couldn't have achieved without a method, or at least not as fast or not as efficiently?
I ask this because although I eventually did use podcasts in a mostly regular way, I didn't start out with any given method and the strategy that arose over time was simply a reflection of how it fit into my life, and what I felt was a comfortable learning regimen. Although I'm not in any way diminishing the value of the method you present, I wonder if we should be telling people how to use podcasts (or any other method) or if we shouldn't be telling them to simply use them and develop a way that works and feels best for them. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6609 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 13 of 19 20 October 2012 at 11:34am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Without a method? Any learning you do becomes a method if you do it the same way for a long time, no? Like I said in the original post, I started out just listening passively and got some slow progress. Then I started doing things more "in-depth" and progressed faster. I'm not sure how studying without a method would look like.
Yeah, that seems to mirror what I wrote in my OP above.
No, I don't think we should be telling people how to use them, and I don't think that's what I was doing in this post. I was asked in a PM about how I had used ChinesePod to learn, and rather than replying in a PM I wrote it into a post because I though more people might be interested which, going by the responses of this thread, turned out to be the case. A lot of people just do what you and I started doing and just listen, not sure how they could get more out of the material provided. What I present is what I did, and other people can see one way of getting it done. My method above developed out of my routines, just as yours did, but I think it's dangerous to think that people will automatically find a method perfect for them. What I want to do is to give ideas and suggestions, not to construct a compulsory schedule. If I gave the impression that people should follow my schedule to the letter, I apologize. People should find their own routines, but there's nothing wrong with sharing ideas. In fact, that's what places like this are for! 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4728 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 14 of 19 21 October 2012 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I use JapanesePOD, and completely without a method. I just pick a level and listen through it. Sometimes 5 lessons a day, sometimes nothing for weeks.
Yes, doing it systematically would be better. I think I'll start to use some sort of system - but the huge amount of lessons (over 700?) are just a bit much. One level alone takes forever to complete if you do it 1 lesson/day. I'm at a level where I can understand Japanese TV without huge problems, and yet the various levels (from Intermediate up) DO add something, as in filling gaps and some new vocab items. However, not so many things taught there are really new for me. I do find the lessons useful, but it's so hard to identify what's useful and to construct meaningful and effective schedules with that material. Maybe if JPOD was all I had, and if I had no prior knowledge, it would be worth much more. The idea to build an ANKI deck and to build playlists, however, is nice, and I'll see if I can somehow incorporate it. PS: This is a problem with everything I do for my Japanese studies except for "pleasure watching" of shows: I end up being bored pretty fast. I tried to read through grammar books to weed out mistakes I may make on a daily basis and to finally solve some minor riddles that popped up here and there but were never important enough for me to really investigate and thoroughly learn. I did learn some new stuff, but the amount of known things is just so huge, it takes more time to read through all the stuff to FIND the actual new things, that I almost fall asleep before I do dig them out. Now, JapanesePOD with their just insane number of lessons and the pretty chaotic PDFs, the chatter inbetween all the explanations (I do enjoy that, as the Upper Intermediate chatter is in Japanese, too, and great listening comprehension practice - plus I like the staff), is like an ocean. Try to find some drops and you'll be discouraged from doing so before you even start. Yeah.. that's it. Edited by atama warui on 21 October 2012 at 10:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6609 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 15 of 19 22 October 2012 at 7:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Dunno about JapanesePOD, but with ChinesePod you're not meant to "complete" any level. you're just supposed to find and work with studies you find interesting on a certain level, and when that level becomes too easy, you skip to the next one. CPod has over 2000 lessons, so going through them all would take years. Edited by Ari on 30 October 2012 at 6:40am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4728 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 16 of 19 23 October 2012 at 2:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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That's the point. Finding what you need to learn..
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