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| caam_imt Triglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 4859 days ago 232 posts - 357 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, Finnish Studies: German, Swedish | Message 9 of 16 08 December 2013 at 2:18pm | IP Logged | ||
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There are some first names with dotted letters, such as Helinä or Yrjö. And as far as I
know, you can't call those letters umlauts. That name comes from German, where it expresses a "change" in the sound of normal A's, O's and U's. In Finnish, Ä and Ö (and Y) are letters (sounds) on their own right, they are not modifications of the other letters. They just look the same because of Swedish influence. Sorry if I went off topic :) And yeah, foreign words violate vowel harmony all the time. On of the hardest for me to pronounce is "pastöroitu" (from Swedish pastöriserad = pasteurized). Your name would be "Courtneyn" in genitive and "Courtneyä" in partitive. I might be wrong, but I think this comes from a tendency of equating the English schwa (that sound in Court) with ö. Thus, I guess a Finn would say something like "Körtniä". 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Tollpatchig Senior Member United States Joined 4004 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Maltese | Message 10 of 16 08 December 2013 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | ||
Very insightful! I think I like Körtniä better than the normal spelling and pronunciation, lol. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maucca Diglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4648 days ago 33 posts - 64 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: French | Message 11 of 16 08 December 2013 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | ||
No, actually there is a tendency to pronounce it "Olumpia". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maucca Diglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4648 days ago 33 posts - 64 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: French | Message 12 of 16 08 December 2013 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | ||
According to the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary, Courtney is pronounced, depending on one's rhoticity, either [kɔtni] or [kɔrtni], so the correct partitive would be "Courtneya". But in actual practice it depends on how well aware the speaker or writer is of the correct pronunciation, and how rigorously he feels like following it. Therefore it's not surprising to see foreign names inflected as if they were pronounced according to the Finnish rules of pronunciation, which in this case means that the partitive form "Courtneyta" is also fairly common. http://www.kotus.fi/?s=4362 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| caam_imt Triglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 4859 days ago 232 posts - 357 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, Finnish Studies: German, Swedish | Message 13 of 16 08 December 2013 at 9:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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I see, I thought Courtney had a schwa in it, my bad. I got a couple of hits on Google
with Courtneyä though, I guess showing how some people are not aware of the correct pronunciation (like me :)). As your link shows, it is by no means a straightforward matter. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4250 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 14 of 16 22 December 2013 at 12:07am | IP Logged | ||
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"Courtney" in Finnish sounds like [kʰo:ɹtni:] which only has the vowels 'o' and 'i'. Therefore it doesn't violate vowel harmony in the slightest.
A mini-paradigm to declining this name; Courtney'n Courtney'ta Courtney'hin the apostrophe is because until that part it's not pronounced as Finnish is pronounced so it separates the foreign pronunciation from Finnish case endings. Courtney is not a very good example with this because it can be used without the apostrophe quite well but something like Skype declines as follows; Skype'in Skype'ia Skype'iin This is because Skype is pronounced as [skaip], and (plosive) consonant finals usually decline in this way. //Edit; I completely forgot the original question! So rolling the "r" is important and you most likely are able to do it; it just is difficult at first. There are great lessons on the internet for practicing how to do it. The way my cousin was told to practice was to try to say "d" before every "r" sound, because in "d" your tongue is in the position of the rolled "r" and thus all you need to do is put your tongue in that position and let the air escape and vibrate your tongue. That is, if you're able, some people aren't physically able to do that. Edited by Henkkles on 22 December 2013 at 12:09am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| utu Diglot Newbie Finland Joined 4801 days ago 9 posts - 12 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: French | Message 15 of 16 12 January 2014 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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About using the apostrophe: you need to use it only when the word's pronunciation ends
at a vowel but has a consonant as the last written letter - for example show: show'n show'ta show'hun etc. So if you decline Courtney, it should be written as Courtneyn instead of Courney'n. And I would also decline Courtneya (-a instead of -ta) and Courtneyin (-in instead of -hin), but that is only a matter of opinion - to me Courtneyhin sounds archaic. And one last thing: if you have English and French word which ends at the "mute e" you only add the case ending to the word without the apostrophe or any extra letters. So Skype for example is declined as Skypen Skypea Skypeen (pronounced as [skaipi:n]) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6594 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 16 of 16 12 January 2014 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, someone clearly uses Skype with an English (or other non-Finnish) interface :P
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