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| lichtrausch Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 525 posts - 1072 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Japanese Studies: Korean, Mandarin | Message 41 of 121 17 July 2011 at 8:20am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Could you be any more wrong? The Economist writes: ""Because Japan's population is only 42 percent of that of the U.S., its ratio of patents per million population is 3.5 times higher than the United States — and indeed the highest such ratio of all," a report on the study states." http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20070517a1.html I mean really, how do you think Japan has built up wildly successful multinational companies that are constantly bringing out newer, better products with global appeal? Unless you have some really solid evidence you should stop making such extreme claims. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Fiveonefive Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5694 days ago 69 posts - 88 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Swedish | Message 42 of 121 17 July 2011 at 8:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
No I'm not wrong, please hear me out. The enormous number of Japanese patents is not a reliable indicator of where they stand internationally in terms of genuine innovation. Particularly when the systems differ as they do between Japan and the US. Patents in general are a bad indicator of innovation. Among the problems are... 1. The importance of patents varies enormously among industries. If country A is strong in a field where patents are important and country B is strong in a field where other forms of intellectual protection are important, A will appear to look better than B without being more innovative. 2. The US system favors multiple claims for a single patent. Tthe Japanese system favors separate patents for each claim. An invention with multiple uses might generate one patent in the US but five or six in Japan. 3. Japanese companies use patents as an employee performance indicator. This leads to the filing of applications for trivial innovations that companies in other countries would never bother with. There is an interesting book by Niall Murtagh called Blue-Eyed Salaryman that describes this patten in Japan from a foreigner's perspective. 4. Japanese companies build up patent portfolios as bargaining chips to get international licensing arrangements with foreign firms. 5. Japanese law allows for patents in certain areas that US law does not. Edited by Fiveonefive on 17 July 2011 at 9:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Fiveonefive Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5694 days ago 69 posts - 88 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Swedish | Message 43 of 121 17 July 2011 at 9:09am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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And 6. Many patents are filed by corporations and individuals from outside Japan, just as many Japanese corporations and individuals file for patents in the US, EU, and China. Most major corporations will file for patents in numerous countries, but as a minimum, those three markets and the manufacturing location are critical. So any of these patents could be Apple Computer trying to protect its intellectual property in the Japanese market. Or could also be Honda Jet, who conducts R&D in North Carolina and employees mostly US engineers, securing its patents back home in Japan. And even though a critical engine component could be completely designed in the US, it might fetch as many as 5 patents in Japan, 3 in Taiwan, and only 1 in the US. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5416 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean | Message 44 of 121 17 July 2011 at 9:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
First off, this thread isn't even about innovation. It's about the Chinese language's prospects of overtaking English as a second language. There's more to this than one ambiguous variable of future "innovation". After all, there's been even less innovation in Latin America and Spain than China, and yet Spanish enjoys immense popularity as a second language — blows your mind, eh?
Let me, if I may, quote the historian Will Durant:
All those innovations you cite are the legacies of past generations. Perhaps it's because I'm younger and thus have firsthand experience with college students getting shitfaced to dubstep while buzzed off hookah and high on Adderall, but let's just say I don't have a lot of faith in my generation after having attended one of America's "elite" universities.
Alternatively, Mr. Sino-Pessimist, this can be interpreted as Chinese youth being innovative enough to be able to outmaneuver a government capable of pulling off the kind of economic results in all those "spam" charts I posted above. How many "sophisticated cyber-hacking attacks" does China need to successfully pull off against the U.S. military before getting its rep as sufficiently innovative? Is it because they haven't invented the Snuggie and Crocs? Anyway, this thread is about non-Chinese people learning Chinese, so here's a relevant little news item pertaining to just that:
I had earlier stated that this tilt toward Chinese would not take place in Europe. Looks like I was wrong — oh, I'm so embarrassed. :) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Fiveonefive Diglot Groupie Japan Joined 5694 days ago 69 posts - 88 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Swedish | Message 45 of 121 17 July 2011 at 9:53am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Not sure if you noticed it or not but parasitius made a post about Chinese innovation way back on page 2 that you happily responded to. Since then we've been arguing about different things. I was continuing the point that parasitius was making.
And you missed my point about the Chinese government not having the IT skills to suppress their internet. The point wasn't about Chinese kids getting around it but the fact that the Chinese government doesn't have the domestic technology to do it in the first place and has to buy the technology from the US, which embarrassingly provides it... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| strummer Diglot Newbie Switzerland Joined 4923 days ago 38 posts - 53 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 46 of 121 17 July 2011 at 11:51am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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but what about global warming? the millions of chinese children born with malformations due to chemicals released in waters? what about the too big population?
im ignorant in economy but seems like these economic forecast are made without taking into consideration the global warming and the environmental problems. China doesnt have the bright future that economists foresee, cause yes if use see only the economic data everything is great but what about the environment factor??? Watch the 2004 world bank report, china is soon to face a water crysis due to global warming and pollution of waters due to industrial chemicals. Edited by strummer on 17 July 2011 at 11:52am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| HenryMW Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5175 days ago 125 posts - 179 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, French Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 47 of 121 17 July 2011 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I'm a little reluctant to post because of how this thread has wandered, but I feel some things need clearing up.
Nway: Your post with all the inlines was interesting. No one is doubting China's size. In fact, it's the only reason why anyone cares about the country. I'm studying for exams right now, so I can't make a detailed post, but I'll point out a few things. You claim American universities are weak because of the high level of foreign students? Really? REALLY? That is just a case of people voting with their feet. How many Americans go to China for a world class education? How many Chinese come to America? Good national universities recruit nationally. Good world universities recruit globally. The fact that these global universities are still mostly American is telling. Our mean math and reading scores might be low, but that is more of a symptom of the failure of our education system at the bottom. Our good high schools are very good. Vehicle sales. Nevermind I bet the Chinese definition of a car differs from ours (I read an interesting article a while ago about how the Chinese inflate the number of "engineers" they graduate every year including graduates from trade schools), no one is denying the scale of China. And I bet their electric cars are as subsidized and silly as ours. Good job, your government is even more economic illiterate than mine. Broadband providers. Yeah, I bet a large centralized government that takes an active hand in the economy totally didn't just decide to have a few small players over a bunch of small ones. What does that even mean? And using self-reported numbers is pretty weak. In the West where we have independent media, there is an incentive to drum up problems. It's gets people watching. A state-controlled media is always going to tell you that's just rain on your boots. And I went to one of those "elite" American universities, too. People like to have fun, no doubt, but when push came to shove, they got their work done and got into competitive graduate programs. The loud people always stand out and aren't necessarily indicative of anything more than that. Mr. Sino-Pessimist? What is that? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| nway Senior Member United States youtube.com/user/Vic Joined 5416 days ago 574 posts - 1707 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Japanese, Korean | Message 48 of 121 17 July 2011 at 9:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I don't know why I keep responding to all these empty claims based on clichéd misguided arguments and wishful gloom-and-doom speculative forecasts (seriously? Global warming? As if that were a concern unique to China? There's a reason it's called "global warming", and not "China warming"), but I'll play along, against my better judgement.
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