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| mizunooto Groupie United Kingdom Joined 4725 days ago 42 posts - 47 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Swedish, Danish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Mandarin, Japanese, Polish, Kazakh, Malay | Message 9 of 13 13 May 2012 at 9:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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That sounds good to me. The best thing is it sounds like you are good at making a plan and sticking to it!
Depending on what language material you are learning, it would be nice to be able to see the K/H that belong to the words you're learning. That way you are learning to recognise them - though I don't think you would exactly 'study' this part of it, just sort of register it (it doesn't hurt to have extra help). I'm doing pinyin for Mandarin as I haven't gone to my next stage of character learning yet, but I have the Hanzi up there too just for reference. (I'd better get on with it too!! I think I know about 1800 which is a start~~) Lots of people don't like the Heisig book 2 but I say it still has information that we don't necessarily know, so that's good. I have the Rick Harbaugh book "Chinese Characters - a Genealogy and Dictionary" which I think covers about 5000. I think it's useful. (the content is the same as the site http://www.zhongwen.com/) Very good luck!! [By the way, I don't have the RTH books, but if the radicals are treated slightly differently or named differently between the volumes then you should come to some decision about what you're going to call them, I think.] PS I think for something like this it's almost essential to have the characters in an SRS like Anki. If you have a list of 5000 objects, it might be difficult to know which to revise today. If you do go this way, go file>download>shared deck and search for a deck someone has already made for Hanzi or whatever you want. Of course, you don't have to use this! I think it saves time and trouble though. [I really dislike Anki but it's the best one, sorry about that~] Edited by mizunooto on 13 May 2012 at 11:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5563 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 10 of 13 14 May 2012 at 12:15am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Hmm...that's pretty much exactly what I was considering doing in my case (i.e. adding the Japanese readings to my existing Hanja cards). What would you suggest in my case (where I'm already learning them with Korean readings)? Would you instead continue to learn them as Hanja (and not worry about Japanese readings at all yet)? Ignoring the readings completely (at least for Korean) seems pointless since that removes one of the most useful parts of learning Hanja. Often when I see a new word, I can immediately picture which "Hanja" applies to each of the syllables of that word which makes it stick far better than those I can't link elsewhere. Without knowing the readings, this would not really be possible as there would be no real link between a Hangul syllable and the Chinese character. I sort of understand when people recommend dividing the task for Japanese, but that is partly due to Japanese having at least 2 readings (native + Sino) for most characters (and lots more for some of them). In contrast, the vast majority of Hanja characters (and I get the impression that Hanzi is the same) have only one reading (Sino). This is also why one of the fields on my Hanja cards contain example Korean words whose Hanja equivalent contains that character (which would be pointless without linking the reading). (For example, the card for 公(공), would contain words like 공원(公園) and 공주(公主) which are associated those characters. Thus when I learn a new word containing 공 that uses a similar meaning, my brain goes: "Oh, *that* 공!".) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6625 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 13 14 May 2012 at 11:17am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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If that's SRS, I don't recommend adding Japanese to your existing cards simply because of the intervals.
Also, cards like this are stressful. I used to have about 500 in Latin/Portuguese/Esperanto/Romanian but I just can't revise them anymore. For these languages that's no problem but keep this in mind if you want to keep revising the cards in a few years. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Lucky Charms Diglot Senior Member Japan lapacifica.net Joined 6977 days ago 752 posts - 1711 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: German, Spanish | Message 12 of 13 14 May 2012 at 11:36am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Off-topic, but I think we might have downloaded the same hanja deck from Anki :)
I agree with your reasons for learning the Korean pronunciations along with the hanja; as you said, there's usually only one reading, and also, there are much fewer hanja you'd need to memorize for vocab-building purposes (my downloadable deck has around 500), so learning the readings together shouldn't be such a burden. For Japanese, though, it's not just that there are commonly several readings per character, but that some of the readings are so rarely used, or only used in certain contexts, that it doesn't make sense to learn them in a list outside of context. To use your example of 公, the Sino-Japanese reading "kou" is often used, but I've probably never in my life come across the native Japanese reading of "ooyake". Other kanji will mostly use the native Japanese reading, and the Sino-Japanese reading will not be worth learning. It's a shame that most learning resources don't reflect this. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5563 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 13 of 13 14 May 2012 at 4:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
If I did add the Japanese reading to a card, I would then reschedule that card as new to reset the intervals. As such, I would also not add Japanese readings to cards at a notably faster pace than I would add new characters (as it has the same effect on my review counts).
If that comment was directed to me, my Hanja deck was actually created from scratch, not downloaded. Initially I was only adding Hanja that I saw frequently (mostly on variety shows as on-screen text), but later started working through "A Guide To Korean Characters" and began adding new characters from it.
True. However, I fortunately followed your link to kanjidamage.com (shortly after posting that reply asking you for further input) and started reading there and it seems they've gone out of their way to actively avoid that issue with their materials. I've downloaded the Kanjidamage deck in Anki (that was referenced in a forum post there), but haven't decided whether to just start in on that deck separately or somehow merge that deck with my existing Hanja deck. Edited by Warp3 on 14 May 2012 at 4:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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