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| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6655 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 1 of 58 09 May 2013 at 10:09am | IP Logged |
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I seriously need to get back to studying languages, and for that I may need a touch of community. It's all going to be Slavic now. I think.
- Russian will always be a main language, but for that one I'll just read books I think. - I will continue to work with Ukrainian, hopefully through a combination of writing an reading. - Bulgarian is the new addition. I want to learn a modern South Slavic language, and Bulgarian seems cool. (Plus - Azis!!) (- I may add Polish, mainly for reading.) My student days are very soon over, for which I am partly glad. I've finished my master's thesis in Old Church Slavonic and I am going to start working on a research project related to it in the fall. Since I will be working a lot with Codex Suprasliensis (my nemesis), I thought modern Bulgarian could be fun to do as a parallel. Also, we get our stuff from Bulgaria and they send "interesting" translations with Bulgarian comments in them, etc., so... well, Bulgarian would both be a fun language to study, and a practical one. I may also be working with Повесть временных лет, and while I lived in Kiev I bought a bilingual Old Russian/Ukrainian version of it. I HOPE to find some motivation to open this book and read it. I like ПВЛ. Found this quote from a book I recently read (Язык древней Руси). It's from Слово о житии и преставлении великого князя Дмитрия Ивановича, and I found it very... modern, so I thought I'd share it here ;) Вкупѣ жихъ съ тобою вкупѣ и умру съ тобою уность не отъиде отъ насъ а старость не постиже насъ --------- MATERIALS for Bulgarian: - Давайте вместе учить болгарский (I've got the crappiest pdf ever, if anyone has a nice version of it or a better book in pdf, I'd gladly take that instead ;)) - Стефани Майер - Здрач; yes, I finally found a use for Twilight! - Probably going to need some audio. Dunno what to do about this yet. for Ukrainian: - I'm slowly reading Винниченко's На той бік. After that, I've got like 20 other books ^^ for Russian: - countless books. For May, Russian is a priority since I have a last translation exam in early June. After that, it's hardcore Bulgarian. --------- Comments, general chit chat etc. is welcome in my log! 5 persons have voted this message useful | |
| ExtraLean Triglot Senior Member France languagelearners.myf Joined 5971 days ago 897 posts - 880 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: German | Message 2 of 58 09 May 2013 at 11:57am | IP Logged |
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Oh man, why can't you do languages I understand...
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| josh_badgley Newbie United States Joined 4208 days ago 33 posts - 41 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese | Message 3 of 58 09 May 2013 at 12:33pm | IP Logged |
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As a new Russian learner, I will be following this log! I have a copy of Teach Yourself Bulgarian and the old FSI Basic Bulgarian course that I'm going to tackle one day once my Russian is up to snuff. Bulgarian is a very nice language, pleasing to the ear. And the Slavic languages are a close second in my favorite language families (next to Celtic). Ни пуха ни пера!
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5033 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 4 of 58 09 May 2013 at 3:43pm | IP Logged |
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tricotouse, why is the aorist used in "Христос воскресе" (sorry for the modern Russian
spelling), and not the Perfect? Is it only because in Greek it was this tense? Thanks in advance! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6655 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 5 of 58 09 May 2013 at 4:35pm | IP Logged |
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Extralean: Aren't you the one who's supposed to start Mandarin?
Yay, a follower! Hi Josh! :) Good luck with Russian, it's a VERY handy language when you want to learn other Slavic languages - it's a great starting point. Mark, I'd say that's because either 1) yes, the Greek version said that (they follow the Greek rather to the point :P) or 2) the resultative aspect is not emphasized, it's just a констатация факта. But here comes way more info than you asked for: I did a little search in the Gospels (those are the texts I have worked with, except for some Saint's lives), and found that въскрѣсити is not the verb used in the Codex Marianus for "to rise", but въстати (which seems to correspond to ἐγείρω, which is translated as "to wake up" in the corpus I work with). In the Gospels, there are only 10 occurrences of the verb въскрѣсити (see below), and tons of въстати, but I'm pretty sure the latter has more uses. They are given as synonyms in Фразеологический словарь старославянского языка. Cf: MATT 28.6 нѣстъ сьде въста (aorist) бо ѣкоже рече. придѣта видита мѣсто. iдеже лежа х҃ъ. MATT 28.6 οὐκ ἔστιν ὧδε· ἠγέρθη (aor) γὰρ, καθὼς εἶπεν·δεῦτε ἴδετε τὸν τόπον ὅπου ἔκειτο. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then there's "въста отъ мрътвъiхъ" Compare this to a resultative past participle: JOHN 3:28 нѣсмъ азъ х҃ъ. нъ посъланъ есмъпрѣдъ нимь JOHN 3:28 οὐκ εἰμὶ ἐγὼ ὁ Χριστός, ἀλλ’ ὅτι ἀπεσταλμένος εἰμὶ ἔμπροσθεν ἐκείνου. I am not the Messiah but am sent ahead of him. It's sooo literally translated it's ridiculous. With въскрѣсити: JOHN 12.9 разоумѣ же народъ мъногъ отъ июдеи. ѣко тоу естъ. i придѫ не и҃са ради тъкъмо. нъ да и лазара видѧтъ. егоже въскрѣси отъ мрътвъiхъ. JOHN 12.9 Ἔγνω οὖν ὁ ὄχλος πολὺς ἐκ τῶν Ἰουδαίων ὅτι ἐκεῖ ἐστιν, καὶ ἦλθον οὐ διὰ τὸν Ἰησοῦν μόνον, ἀλλ’ ἵνα καὶ τὸν Λάζαρον ἴδωσιν, ὃν ἤγειρεν ἐκ νεκρῶν Meanwhile a large crowd of Jews found out that Jesus was there and came, not only because of him but also to see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead. ἤγειρεν is tagged as a 3 p. sg. aorist, just like ἠγέρθη, both from ἐγείρω, but my Greek grammar skills are too insignificant to tell why there are different forms. Both just look very familiar... The first is a 1st Aorist, that I can see, but what is the deal with the second form (ἠγέρθη)? If anyone with Greek skills reads this, please enlighten us :) (Unfortunately Greek does not interest me enough to warrant further study.) 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6655 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 6 of 58 09 May 2013 at 4:39pm | IP Logged |
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Second separate post:
I'm hoping this log will catch the eye of some other people studying Bulgarian, because I wonder what dictionaries there are. I'd really like on for either my iPod touch or my Nokia Lumia, but I haven't found anything worthwhile yet. And what about online dictionaries? Anything with Russian/French/English works fine, it doesn't have to be English. All suggestions are welcome. (Stress is a nice feature for a dictionary to have, btw.) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5033 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 7 of 58 09 May 2013 at 5:51pm | IP Logged |
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ἠγέρθη isn't it a passive form? θη is the passive suffix in Aorist, if I remember
correctly. Thank you for your answer. A Bulgarian told me that in modern Bulgarian the Perfect is a констатация факта, while the aorist makes it much more emotional. One more reason for Perfect would be that for God time doesn't exist. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Kartof Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5043 days ago 391 posts - 550 votes Speaks: English*, Bulgarian*, Spanish Studies: Danish | Message 8 of 58 25 May 2013 at 3:00am | IP Logged |
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I'm not aware of any good online dictionaries or other sources in Bulgarian (except for maybe FSI?) but I'd be happy
to help if you have any questions about the language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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