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| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4836 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes  Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 17 of 58 22 June 2013 at 1:35am | IP Logged | |||||
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Опрости, но я не знал, какого ты пола :Д
Да, у нас был старославянский. Он иногда полезен, но... Я не верю, что в Норвегии филология может быть так ужасна! К счастью, моя филология очень практическа. Ну, по большей части. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5033 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 18 of 58 22 June 2013 at 3:10pm | IP Logged | |||||
Is it typical for all languages or only for Russian? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6655 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 19 of 58 22 June 2013 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
I think it's rather typical for Russian only. One of my teachers was very surprised when he found out that in the French/German/etc departments, they don't translate INTO their target languages, but FROM them. I.e. I think the people in the Russian department they believe that the only way to learn a language is to translate into it. I also know that the Japanese program is way more practically oriented. ------------ UKRAINIAN I finally finished the second long "short story" in my Vinnichenko book, "На той бік". It's the story of a well-to-do doctor who loses everything when the Bolsheviks come. One day he sees a young woman who reminds him of a girl from his past. She is trying to cross the line of the Reds (uhm, I think, it was months since I actually read the beginning of the story), but no one will take her there due to the dangers involved. The doctor decides to just say "to hell with it" and go with her to "the other side", a very risky undertaking. I really like Vinnichenko's writings, he seems very fond of painting not that very flattering portraits of human beings and what they stoop to during certain circumstances. I really liked this quote from На той бік: Панна ж Ольга помалу й неначе зовсім спокійно відійшла від калюжі крови й стала біля вікна, спиною до кашкета. Низьке віконце незатуленими шматочками освітлювало їй руки, груди й підборіддя. В руках був ножик і шматочок червоної глиняної миски. Тісно стиснувши уста, вона почала сильно, вперто терти лезом ножика по черепку. Хустку вона так поклала на плечах і руках, щоб зразу ж, як треба буде, сховати під неї руки. Все проробляла з таким виглядом, наче їй не раз уже доводилось гострити кишенькові ножики в большевицьких страшних камурах-грандотелях. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6655 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 20 of 58 23 June 2013 at 11:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
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BULGARIAN
Finished the Bulgarian grammar book! I wrote a review on Goodreads, so I won't repeat everything I said there here. The review can be found here. Just some brief points: - I'm confused by the renarrative mode and its forms. - Past participles. Bleh. I'm rather surprised by how well I remember things from the grammar book as I read. Except for the word for "to smoke", which really doesn't want to stick in my head (perhaps because for me, smoking is always kur- something), I see words in Twilight that I recently saw in the grammar book all the time, and - I remember them! I'm still going to make a little bit more of an effort and add conjunctions and adverbs to ANKI, just to make sure. Another thing that surprises me is how easily I can read Bulgarian - all things being relative - in such a short amount of time. I can rather easily drop the English version I have and just use the dictionary for a couple of words and that's it. Most of the time I will check with the orgiginal once I've read half a page or a page to sort out stuff that could have been unclear. I do wonder how much more difficult non-translated or more advanced literature will be. The only thing that's starting to bother me is the abudance of да. There are like 4 of them in each sentence. The crazy amount of definite articles is also a bit startling, and if I were ever to attempt to learn to write or speak Bulgarian myself I think those would trip me up seriously. They just seem so superfluous! UKRAINIAN I finally finished Записки Кирпатого Мефістофеля (review here). This is my third fictional book read in Ukrainian, and I wish I had something a bit shorter to start now, so that it won't take me a year to finish. But no, I'm going to start another 350+ pages book: Людина / Царівна (two books in one tome) by Ольга Кобилянська. I bought it because I really thought the cover was pretty + I try to not read all male authors cause that's boring. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4836 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 21 of 58 24 June 2013 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
Tryb nieświadka, you mean? :D And how do you cope with the членуване? Btw., I still have 2 parts of "Я, Богдан" by Загребельний on my bookshelf. Believe or not, but they costed me... 3,90 hryvnias. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Kartof Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5043 days ago 391 posts - 550 votes Speaks: English*, Bulgarian*, Spanish Studies: Danish | Message 22 of 58 26 June 2013 at 5:32am | IP Logged | |||||
I wrote the below text as a reply to prz_ but also as practice reading for tricoteuse and a mini-lesson in some of the idiosyncrasies of Bulgarian culture. Не се безпокой, България си е трудна държава да се харесва, камули да се обича. Културата, хората, и манталитетът си са балкански. България не е западна държава, тоест не е католическа или протестанска. Да се разбере една култура която е изпитала 600 години мъка под Османската Империя и след това комунизма, без органичен разтеж на демокрация и капитализма си е трудно. Хората живеят в насочената посока към западна Европа, също както в пример на Русия и Османската Империя преди това. В чест на хората, те са горди, силни, и неразделими, и ще Ви вземе дълго време да им преемите начина на мислене и на живот. Ако физическите комфорти не Ви са достатъчни в България, след кратко време те ще се оправят. Манталитетът на българите е неподвижим и ако не бях българин нямах да имам търпение с него, но се пак от там ми са израстнали семейните и културните корени. Това е главната пречина че ме интересува България и е разбираемо че ако хората или манталитетът са Ви противоположни, че Вие не бихте имали интерес в тях.
The renarrative mood isn't really vital. After reading about it several times, I still can't get it straight. The change in meaning is slight and it's more of a point of grammarian's interest than anything else in my opinion. Past participles aren't too bad, just remember to inflect for number and gender. If you have any more specific questions, feel free to ask. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6655 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 23 of 58 26 June 2013 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, that one, but if Kartof says not to worry about it, I won't!
Wait, what? Членуване... >_> Are we talking about Sequence of Tense? You lost me! Kartof: could you explain "камули"? Other than that, I think I understood your text just fine :) ----------- BULGARIAN I've been reading quite a lot of Twilight. I'm not sure if I should be proud or embarassed. It's just so hard to stop, and I think this proves how crucial correct reading material is. When you want to read for the sake of the story (yeah, the sappy emo love story, I confess), the language doesn't really matter. I've read 12% by now. The problem is, when I read something I enjoy reading, I don't feel like I'm working or doing anything worth while, and I feel lazy and guilty. So I have to find something I don't enjoy doing, and spend some time on that. I don't mind reading grammar books all that much, but it does feel more "serious", so I'll start the second one tomorrow. Further observations: * Descriptions of space confuse me. Remember the scene where Bella almost gets squished by a car? That was a tricky one. * I sometimes don't catch negations, or mistake indefinite pronouns for negated pronouns. Oh! And I think I found a translation error. Original: Mike came to sit by me in English, and walked me to my next class, with Chess Club Eric glaring at him all the while. Translation: Майк седна до мен по английски и ме изпроводи до следващият ми час заедно с Шахматиста Ерик, който го гледаше накриво през цялото време. The Bulgarian says that Erik and Mike are walking Bella to her class together, right? But that's not the case. Also, are terriers known for their loyalty in Bulgaria? Mike, who was taking on the qualities of a golden retriever... Майк, който приемаше качествата на териер... Terriers are frenzied little things who can't stand still (the ADHD kid of the dog kingdom), not the epitome of the meek, nice - and boring - family dog. Also, the translator translates the English exclamation "Oh!" as "Оу!". Is this what Bulgarian people say, or is the translator just really bad? UKRAINIAN I haven't started my next Ukrainian book yet, mainly because I don't want to have half a million books on my "currently reading" list all the time. I never get to finish anything, and I get a kick out of finishing books (I lead a very exciting life) so I need to try to keep the number down. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4836 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 24 of 58 26 June 2013 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
членуване
Не е така трудна, ако има "българоджии" на моя факултет... И, както казах, ако става дума за парите и развитието, не е така лошо в България. Проблемът е само в мен.
In Polish there is a different order of the words in negation, so for most of Polish ears "не ми харесва" sounds like "not I like it, but YOU like it" (in Polish the proper translation would be: "nie[/b podoba mi się") 1 person has voted this message useful |
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