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| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6679 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 33 of 58 27 September 2013 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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This and subsequent posts will be cross-posted to the language log section at the
language learning community Parleremo. You can access the thread directly here. ---- Hey prz, I know how difficult it is to motivate oneself when you have nothing positive to associate with the language. I have the same issue with French. ---- So! I altogether ran out of time for Intensive Bulgarian, but I hope to get back to it this week-end when stuff will hopefully start going back to normal. I'm at page 150 or so (I think), and even though progress was very quick in the beginning, the lessons are starting to take more and more time. At least I'm up to date on my ANKI deck! Which is ridiculously small, by the way, so that's no impressive feat. I'm quite far along in the language history book I'm reading (Историческа граматика на българския език), but that's also been neglected lately. I also started listening to some Bulgarian radio, as I don't want to end up sounding all Russian in Bulgarian. The channel I found, and which I like very much, is Христо Ботев, which, I take it, is a Bulgarian national hero/idol or something of the like. Feel free to correct me. So far I've caught both English, Bulgarian, Italian and Japanese music there, when they're not talking. I find the speech very easy to follow actually, even though I have not been listening actively so far (I have it on as I work). I was thinking about finding some podcasts to listen to, but the one I found (flip.bg) won't do a thing in iTunes. It just loads and loads. So I'm gonna check some news sites and see what I come up with. As for Russian and Ukrainian I did actually write some journal posts at Parleremo. Unfortunately, no one has corrected them yet so I don't know how crappy the Ukrainian one is. I have neglected Ukrainian for far too long. :/ At work I switched from OCS texts to Old and Middle Russian. Middle Russian was honestly quite boring, but that's because of the text (Взятие псковское), but Old Russian, in ПВЛ, is rather interesting! There are laws and stuff :) аще ли ключитсѧ оукрасти русину ѿ грекъ что. или грьчину ѿ руси. достоино есть да възворотити не точью едино. но и цѣну его. аще оукраденое ѡбрѧщетьсѧ предаемо. да вдасть и цѣну его сугубо. и то пкоазненъ будеть по закону гречьскому. по устаоу и по закону рускому. I wanted to start taking a German class together with my boyfriend, but that turned out to be rather expensive, plus we just spent a fortune on an operation for our cat, who got hit by a car and broke his pelvis, so no German for now :( 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4235 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek | Message 34 of 58 27 September 2013 at 6:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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I can't motivate myself enough to look into Ukrainian (and I think that I'm 1/4 Ukrainian, btw), and it's rater shocking for me to see someone who interested in Old Russian O_o Here (i.e. in Russia) average people get stunned when they see texts from times earlier than 1917...
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 35 of 58 27 September 2013 at 7:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Isn't the ПВЛ all written in Old Church Slavonic?
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| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6679 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 36 of 58 27 September 2013 at 8:20pm | IP Logged | ||
I understand your lack of motivation completely. When stuff isn't new and exotic I also tend to go "meh..." ;) Mark, well, the OCS canon is rather limited, both in time and scope. Canonical OCS makes up a total of ca 1000 pages, according to Horace Lunt, and of those 350 are variants and not unique texts. ПВЛ is really quite different. First of all, being a 12th century text it just misses the date in order to be called OCS (which is >11th century), and it lacks lots of the "characteristics" (such as consistent presence of nasal vowels and jers), the syntax is different, connectors are different... really, really not the same thing as working with Codex Marianus, Codex Zographensis or Codex Suprasliensis (and then there's Savvina Kniga and a couple of smaller documents, but I've never looked at those). In general, Old Russian is much simpler when it comes to sentence structure. Fewer participles, more finite verbs. Probably because there was no Greek original ;) (Or just due to the more practical nature of the texts!) Personally, I would like to call it Old East Slavic, but within the project it's referred to as Old Russian. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5057 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian* | Message 37 of 58 27 September 2013 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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Can we call it Church Slavonic with Russian influence? Because as well as I know Old
Russian was still very different than the language of the chronicle. It was closer to modern Russian (except for words of Church Slavonic origin). There were no aorist and imperfect and the conditional was as simple as in the modern language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6679 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 38 of 58 27 September 2013 at 11:02pm | IP Logged | ||
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Church Slavonic with East Slavic influence? I'll agree on that one :D
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| prz_ Tetraglot Senior Member Poland last.fm/user/prz_rul Joined 4860 days ago 890 posts - 1190 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Bulgarian, Croatian Studies: Slovenian, Macedonian, Persian, Russian, Turkish, Ukrainian, Dutch, Swedish, German, Italian, Armenian, Kurdish | Message 39 of 58 28 September 2013 at 12:40am | IP Logged | ||
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Ah, Old Church Slavocni, Old Bulgarian and Middle Bulgarian... Etc. "Great" stuff :D
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| tricoteuse Pentaglot Senior Member Norway littlang.blogspot.co Joined 6679 days ago 745 posts - 845 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Norwegian, EnglishC1, Russian, French Studies: Ukrainian, Bulgarian | Message 40 of 58 06 October 2013 at 8:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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(Cross posted on Parleremo.)
I finally finished the Russian book I've been reading, Сантехник, его кот, жена и другие подробности, and I'm glad that one's over. Not sure what I'm gonna read next in Russian, probably Родная Речь. It will have to wait a bit though, so that I can finish some other books. For Ukrainian, I wrote a measly little journal post on Parleremo. In Intensive Bulgarian I finished lesson 7. The translation exercise are still *so* difficult. The grammar comments etc are very good and all that, but the book is not very good at preparing you for the exercises. In Историческа граматика I've gotten to page 155, and Twilight is still... standing pretty still >_> Bulgarian question time: - For "I travel to cities and villages", could you say "пътувам в селовете и градовете", i.e. using a generic definite article? - Can you say "Догодина ще дойда в три града" or must you use ходя? - Can you say после това, or is it either "после" or "след това"? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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