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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6473 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 1185 of 3959 06 August 2009 at 10:56am | IP Logged | ||
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Vi estas en Germanio, do ĉu vi pripensis ankaŭ iri al eventoj kiuj estas pli proksimaj? Ekzemple mi ĵus iris al la IJK en Liberec, apud la pola/ĉeĥa/germana triangulo. Kaj je la jarfino mi eble iros al la JES, kiu okazos en Zakopane, Polando, aŭ la NR en Saarbrücken.
Cetere, se vi deziras vere malfacilan sed amuzan ekzercon pri aŭdkompreno, rigardu la filmojn de la Berlina Komedia Nokto, kiun Chuck kaj mi starigis antaŭ kelkaj tagoj: Berlina Komedia Nokto. Profesoro Duncan Charters kaj 'vortarulo' André Müller ambaŭ bonege imitas fremdajn akĉentojn en Esperanto. Ridigegege! Edited by Sprachprofi on 06 August 2009 at 10:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5850 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 1186 of 3959 06 August 2009 at 11:44am | IP Logged | ||
ESP: Jes, mi iomete auxskultis la videon. La du komidiantoj havas malklaran kaj malbonan pronuncon. Mi dubas, cxu Iversen tion bone povas kompreni. Mia Esperanto-grupo intencas pagi al mi partoprenadon al Universala Kongreso. Ili estas maljunuloj kaj tien volonte irus, sed pro cirkonstancoj ili mem ne povas. Ili volas ebligi min fari ion, kion ili mem sxatis fari, kiam ili estis pli junaj. LASTAN JARON (EDIT) okazis (FAND STATT) Internacia Festivalo en Düsseldorf fine de decembro, sed mi devis plene labori, do mi ne ricevis liberajn tagojn por iri tien. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 06 August 2009 at 3:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6706 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 1187 of 3959 06 August 2009 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | ||
Labori? Ti havas novan laboron? Tiame ti ne havas multe tempon per lerni Danan, mi supozas. Mi provis aŭskulti la du amatoraj aktoroj de Berlino. Mi povis kompreni iujn vortojn, sed ne signifon. Tio ne estas neatendita, ĉar mi havas aŭditan preskaŭ neniun Esperanton - povas esti duonan horon antaŭ kelkaj monatoj. Sed ankaŭ mi povas aŭdi iujn problemojn en la prononco de la du aktoroj: "me vuoles vokuum!" "U senjoro, ja honorata gasto, a petos trehuminninE a dehavinninE ...". Mi simple ne komprenas ĉi tiujn finan du vortojn, kaj ne komprenas kial nombro 1 volas drinki vakuon.. Poste mi komprenis ke ili parolis pri la vera Rusa vodko, sed apenaŭ pli. Eble ili havis tro Rusan vodkon jam. Skribita Esperanto estas multe pli facila. ----- Fasulye and Sprachprofi are discussing Esperanto meetings, and in the course of this discussion Sprachprofi mentions a bad case of amateur theater in Esperanto in Berlin and Fasulye doubts that I can understand it. The doubt is well founded, both because I all in all have spent less than half an hour listening to Esperanto on the internet (several months ago) and because the two actors aren't speaking the kind of Esperanto I have been reading. For instance I have tried to listen to the passage quoted above at least ten times, and I still can't figure out what the "vocuum" is that no. 1 is ordering. And the answer is even more incomprehensible for a newbie like me. Vocuum seems to be an orange fluid with or without alcohol (which could be the Russian vodka that is discussed a little bit later). To cleanse my ears I also tried to listen to some other clips at youtube. In one clip from a conference in Le Mans (France) everybody spoke French. In another a lot of people were talking in the same time, and in a third people were singing. Finally in the fourth clip an elderly gentleman ran around on the scene while speaking Esperanto. But when he settled down and began to speak slowly and deliberately about rethorics then I could almost follow him. And the big news of today is of course that our Administrator has returned. And not only didn't he pull the plug as we had feared, but it actually seems that he is going to repair the errors that have hit the profile module. The message is that we have got too many profiles. One solution to that would be to delete all profiles that haven't been used since they were created or belong to people who haven't written anything and haven't visited the forum for ages. But let's see what happens. Edited by Iversen on 21 December 2011 at 1:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6473 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 1188 of 3959 06 August 2009 at 2:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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It's not bad - the two are speaking Esperanto with awful accents on purpose. They are switching accents often, showcasing the worst that various nationalities can do to nia kara lingvo, short of actually making grammar mistakes.
In "La Misvojo" they were speaking Esperanto-influenced English or German at the beginning and then recited a famous poem; scrambled poetic words are hard to recognize so I don't blame you for not understanding much. You could probably still use the sketch for practise understanding the influence various languages have on Esperanto, but you should read the poem here at the same time as listening. The accents in that sketch, in order: British, Russian, French, Japanese, Spanish, Dutch (or maybe Saxonian German dialect?), American, German. Good Esperanto speakers should be able to understand them in the sketch "La Restoracio" though, at least when the volume isn't too low (despite the volume I can still understand 100% of the words). Practise with that sketch and you'll be prepared for the worst speakers you can find at an international Esperanto meeting. The situations were: 1) Russian in a Japanese restaurant; 2) German in an Italian restaurant; 3) French in a British restaurant; 4) Danish and Argentinian in a train to the Universala Kongreso in Bialystok. This whole comedy night was an idea Chuck and I had just one week before it would take place, so I accept responsibility for props missing (vodka, beer, wine all being represented by multivitamin juice) and the comedians not being well-prepared. Since neither of them live in Berlin they only had 10 hours together before the sketch. However, we figured it would be too good of an opportunity to miss to get the two accent magicians to do a sketch together, considering Professor Duncan Charters lives in the USA and is in Europe very rarely. Edited by Sprachprofi on 06 August 2009 at 3:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6473 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 1189 of 3959 06 August 2009 at 3:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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To re-calibrate your Esperanto accent, you could watch some videos on Dotsub in Esperanto with Esperanto or English subtitles.
For example this report about this year's Internacia Junulara Kongreso, a report about Burning Man or various parts of the "Esperanto estas" documentary. I have personally looked at them to make sure the accent is worth imitating. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6706 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 1190 of 3959 06 August 2009 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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And what is 'vocuum' then?
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6473 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 1191 of 3959 06 August 2009 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | ||
I believe you mean 'vodkon' - in the first sentence of the actual sketch? Keep in mind C is pronounced /ts/ in Esperanto. The Japanese waiter then says to the barman "Sinjoro, nia honorata gasto petas tre humile eble havi iun trinkaĵon, prefere kun alkoholo, ekzemple la bonan rusan vodkon". Edited by Sprachprofi on 06 August 2009 at 3:20pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6706 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 1192 of 3959 06 August 2009 at 3:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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Maybe my ears need recalibrating..
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