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| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5108 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes  Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 2201 of 3959 06 January 2011 at 11:50am | IP Logged | ||
Just a couple of suggestions, I can't say they're corrections because you make perfect sense already, but they'd be more idiomatic. In the first line, "de nouvelles langues" flows a bit better than "des langues nouvelles", and apart from that, there are times when putting a comma would do wonder, for example in "le problème, là, est le même". When I read the original, I was expecting the commas to be there, and it feels strange not to find them. Of course I may just be really pedantic, but it would enhance your idiotmatic use of French. And you can say "googler" if you want, no-one will stop you from doing so, but "chercher sur Google" is probably more used. Finally, if you haven't found it already, this website has some material you could use to actively learn, and same here. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6697 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2202 of 3959 06 January 2011 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for pointing out that I put too few commas (certainly an influence from English!), and for indicating some sites that might be relevant for my future studies of Old French.
FR: D'ailleurs j'ai trouvé sur www.futura-sciences.com un autre article, qui pourrait être d'intérêt linguistique: il parait que les néanderthaliens avait eux aussi le gène FOXP2, qui est étroitement lié chez nous à la cpacité physiologique de parler. On lit: "les deux individus dont l’équipe de Pääbo a étudié l’ADN, possédaient bel et bien cette version humaine du gène FOXP2, avec les deux mutations censées jusqu’à présent n’appartenir qu’à H. sapiens. Que faisait-il là?" One more piece of information from the same French site: the Neanderthals had the gene FOXP2, which seems to be necessary for the physical production of speech in Homo sapiens. The discussion now is when it actually appeared, but if the Neanderthals also had it would be quite surprising if they didn't also speak. Which of course doesn't indicate anything about the kind of language they may have spoken. Edited by Iversen on 07 January 2011 at 11:20am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 5108 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 2203 of 3959 06 January 2011 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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I didn't really mean to write "idiotmatic", that's a rather odd mistake… En tout cas, ces articles sont très
intéressants, notamment le deuxième, et je vais regarder de plus près leurs théories. C'est très étrange de se dire qu'une simple mutation génétique fait que nous pouvons parler et avons construit un réseau d'idées et de pensées aussi complexe, tandis que les animaux semblent s'être arrêtés au stade du vague échange social que nous n'arrivons pas vraiment à déchiffrer. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6697 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2204 of 3959 07 January 2011 at 12:28am | IP Logged | ||
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Le fonctionnement du gène FOXP2 est connu surtout de quelques familles avec des mutations qui font le langage de leurs membres quasiment incompréhensible pour des raisons essentiellement motoriques, peut-être à travers une malfonction du centre Broca dans le cerveau. Pourtant il est aussi soutenu que ces mêmes personnes ont des problèmes a former des phrases. Il serait trop simpliste de dire que FOCP2 est le 'gène de la langue' tout bonnement, mais il semble être nécessaire pour qu'on puisse parler. Et si les Néanderthaliens l'avait, il est vraisemblable que eux aussi pouvaient parler. Je me souviens d'un article dans "Language" (en Anglais) où on a exprimés des doutes, par exemple avec l'argument que la façon de leur bouche aurait exclu la formation de certaines voyelles. Mais ceci ne suffit pas à dire qu'ils ne puissent parler leur propre langue, soit-elle dépourvue de certains sons.
PS: je regarde en ce moment un programme sur Vincent van Gogh en Anglais sur le "History Channel". Et qu'est-ce que je vois? Une peinture d'un certain Cormond avec lequel van Gogh a brièvement étudié la peinture. Et le thème favori de ce Cormond était justement des peintures de neanderthaliens grotesques! Edited by Iversen on 07 February 2011 at 3:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6697 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2205 of 3959 07 January 2011 at 11:15am | IP Logged | ||
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POR: Não é um segredo que o meu gênero favorito literária não é o romance, mas revistas de ciência popular. Se eu não posso pegá-los no papel, os leio na internet. Ontem eu escrevi sobre a paleontologia com a ajuda dum site francês, futura-sciences, mas hoje eu mudei línguas ao português. Eu perquisi novamente "Denisova" e encontrou, entre outras coisas, um site brasileiro http://hypescience.com, localizado ca cidade de Curitibia. Ele têm artigos do mesmo tipo que aqueles do site frances, mas também aborda os temas mais bizarros, o que pode ser bastante divertido. E como escreve num artigo "Ler as materias mais bizarras do hype faz bem a saude":
Não, não é propaganda sem fundamento! Uma pesquisa oficial revelou que sentir nojo ou ficar espantado, como você fica ao ler as matérias sobre os assuntos mais bizarros do nosso site, faz bem para a saúde. Carne apodrecida, larvas, defuntos-sabão, vinho de filhotes de ratos – você encontra de tudo aqui no Hype. E essas nossas matérias bizarras são o que basta para deixar os leitores com um sentimento de nojo. E ficamos com nojo por um bom motivo, segundo uma pesquisa da Escola de Higiene e Medicina de Londres. Bem, o que têm? Talvez algo sobre um mistério profundo para a metade da humanidade: "Sobre o que as mulheres coversam quando quando vão ao banheiro" (um nome que també tem um certo interesse do ponto de vista sintático!). O "Japoneses instalam videogames em banheiros públicos". E - falando dos japonesos - "Sokunshinbutsu: os monges auto-mumificados do Japão". Para automumificar-se vôcé tem que emmagrecir-se durante 1000 dias por uma dieta de nozes e castanhas, depois 1000 dias comendo sômente raízes de pinheiros e bebendo chá venenoso, e ao fim vôcé comença a sua última meditação na sua tumba. Nesta fase você fica tão envenenado que mesmo as bactérias e fungi não se incomodam para comer você. Yesterday I studied a French site with short scientific messages, including articles about paleontology. Today I have had a look at a similar Brazilian site, hypescience.com. I found it by searching for "Denisova" (inspired my yesterday's rant about a Siberian cave girl), and then I found this brazilian sites whose articles have the same length and - to some extent - character as those on the French site. However it also has a slightly more weird side - there is actually a special section for bizarre news (plus one for strange lists). This includes a study over the things women discuss in public toilets, videogames in Japanese public toilets and - speaking about Japan - about phenomenon "sokunshinbutsu", a kind of automummification performed by Japanese monks in the olden days. To become such a mummy you would spend 1000 days eating only nuts and chestnuts to get rid of your fat, then 1000 days eating only pine roots and drinking only poisonous tea - which makes you so unappetizing that even bacteria and fungi hesitate to eat you. And then you sit down to meditate in your tomb, where there is a bell which you ring once a day. When you stop ringing you have become a Buddha. Edited by Iversen on 07 February 2011 at 3:18pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hobbema Senior Member United States Joined 5735 days ago 541 posts - 575 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese, French, Dutch | Message 2206 of 3959 07 January 2011 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | ||
Nossa. Não acho que quero ser uma Buddha. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6697 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2207 of 3959 10 January 2011 at 12:32am | IP Logged | ||
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RU: Am petrecut un week-end cu mama mea, şi după ce m-am întors la apartamentul meu, am scris un raport excursie pentru asocierea mea de vizita pe care am de Vardzia în Georgia. Din păcate, eu nu pot scrie despre el aici, deoarece eu nu pot scrie pe Kartuli. Dupa aceea, am toate acestea arbedjet: pentru ca am citit bancuri româneşti pe acest site [URL=http://bancuri.acasa.ro]bancuri.acasa.ro - din păcate, fără caractere speciale române şi accente. Un exemplu:
Cica ajunge Bin Laden la poarta raiului. Apare Sfantul Petru care ii zice: -Tu doar nu vrei sa intri? La care Bin Laden ii raspunde: -Nu, dar aveti voi 3 minute sa iesiti!!! Şi acum aud televiziunea prin internet din Republica Moldova - - ceva despre crăciun şi copii jucându-se în zăpadă şi cântând colinde. Am crezut ca să am fost peste această etapă, dar nu - se întoarce crăciun pentru totdeauna la noapte ca Dracula. -- I have visited my mother, and given that she hasn't got an internet conenction I haven't been able to update my log. Then after my return in the late afternoon I first wrote a little thing about my visit to Vardzia in Georgia in 2000 for the magazine of my travel club - but I can't comment on it here as I don't speak Kartuli. After that I have been working hard reading Romanian jokes, including this one: Bin Laden arrives at the gates of Heaven. St. Peter appears and say to him: - You don't expect to get in, do you ? To that Bin Laden answers: - No, but you have 3 minutes to get out! To supplement this taxing and serious activity I have been listening to internet TV from Moldova. However it was all about Christmas and small children playing in the snow, and when they began to sing Christmas Charols I lost my patience and switched to Icelandic Radio (RUV1). A lady reads something called "Meira um Guðnýju Jónsdóttur frá Galtafelli". It is boring, but better than Christmas charols. In a moment I'll do something even better: sleep. Edited by Iversen on 11 January 2011 at 8:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6697 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 2208 of 3959 10 January 2011 at 10:54am | IP Logged | ||
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Just a useful link for those who want to learn Bahasa Indonesian: at www.bahasakita.com I have stumbled over a treasure trove of articles about this language, supplemented with useful articles about cultural aspects of its use. For instance there is an article about the relatively scarce use of "terimah kasih" ("thanks"), but also one about ways to give orders without being too rude - for instance to your taxi driver who is playing the radio too loudly: "Pak, tolong dikecilkan dikit ya" (literally "Pak, please it be turned down a little, yes."). What a useful sentence! Edited by Iversen on 10 January 2011 at 3:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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