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| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4356 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes  Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 17 of 28 16 January 2013 at 9:16am | IP Logged | |||||
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Oh dear... for us as well language is a pawn and a victim of politics, and I personally resent it.
Anyway, I have a book: routledge, colloquial Croatian and Serbian, printed in 1998. The year is important, because there was still chaos in the hearts of people at the time. It basically says that those variants are the same language with some regional variations. Because of politics, it says, they are making a conscious effort to maximize differences. I don't know what native speakers think of that suggestion. Hopefully nobody will ever be fanatic enough to attack a foreigner because of the variation he speaks. As a matter of fact, we have seen many Serbs and Croats in Greece, as well as Bosnians, and I think they are very nice and fun. I bet the worst think they can do is make fun of you, or correct you if you are speaking the "wrong" dialect, but nothing more than that. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Fazla Hexaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6260 days ago 166 posts - 255 votes Speaks: Italian, Serbo-Croatian*, English, Russian, Portuguese, French Studies: Arabic (classical), German, Turkish, Mandarin | Message 18 of 28 17 January 2013 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
Your comparison makes so much... nonsense. Your comparison would make some sense if you were saying that Bosniaks and Montenegrins were trying so hard to prove how they are Serbs or Croats, yet quite the contrary, it's Serbs and Croats being desperate to prove us "what we really are". Pathetic, and just shows the complexes you have.
I'll just stick to the part were you use degrading terms for my people showing your level of intelligence to the whole forum, leaving Montenegrins aside: 1) What were we calling ourselves in any single time when we had our own institutions, scholars, poets, intelligentzia not influenced by either Serbs or Croats, has only been Bosniaks. Even ancestors of Bosniak descendants in remote villages in Turkey who don't even know who Alija is call themselves in the only way they know: Bosniaks. Funny isn't it? I really wonder how you explain that. 2) The fact that the ustasha, serb royal and communist governments chose for us how we would call ourselves officially doesn't mean we didn't know who we were inside. I know it is I N C R E D I B L E that after a century Bosniaks can again decide their future for themselves but that's the reality and it has been so since 20 years. 3) Serbs indeed changed the way they called themselves, once they were Vlachs, once they were Orthodoxs, now they are Serbs, but that's their choice and I can't do much about it, I let them be, I really hope one day you'll leave your obsession of controlling other peoples' fates aside. Edited by Fazla on 17 January 2013 at 8:49pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4666 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 19 of 28 18 January 2013 at 9:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
All languages between Slovenian and Bulgarian form a dialect continuum:
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| Tupiniquim Senior Member Brazil Joined 6081 days ago 184 posts - 217 votes Speaks: Portuguese* Studies: English, Russian | Message 20 of 28 18 January 2013 at 10:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Balkan history is indeed fascinating!
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 21 of 28 18 January 2013 at 10:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
That it can be! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4356 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew | Message 22 of 28 19 January 2013 at 9:03am | IP Logged | |||||
In a scary sort of way :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5332 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 23 of 28 19 January 2013 at 11:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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This is interesting. I did not know that Croatian and Bosnian changed into becoming slightly different
languages, but it is much the same that happened in Norway when we finally became an independent nation after "the 400 year's night" of Danish rule, and 100 years under Swedish rule. We basically spoke Danish, and then a linguist, Ivar Åsen, travelled around collecting traditional Norwegian words, and created "New Norwegian (Nynorsk) from that. However in Norway it never really caught on, and only about 15 % use it in its written form. The rest write a modernized Norwegianized version of Danish. I am not surprised that emotions run high in the matter though. Even in little peaceful Norway with zero internal conflicts and with people in general being so dispassionate that I often wonder how we manage to reproduce, emotions run very high when it comes to language. My mother told me of Nynorsk- families where brother would not speak to brother because of disagreements over the right form of noun endings. And if you listened to students who use Standard Norwegian, at the time when they have to pass their compulsory written exam in Nynorsk you would think the blood thirsty Vikings were rising again. I think tolerance and understanding - also for the fact that this is an emotional issue - is necessary, particularly in an area with so much recent conflicts as the Balkans. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4620 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 24 of 28 19 January 2013 at 12:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
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In Scotland, the Scots dialect/language was frowned upon in schools for decades. Despite the fact that the
children were merely speaking the same way they would at home. Now it is more widely accepted, Scots is no longer viewed by the education system as "bad English" but rather a cultural tool. Edited by beano on 19 January 2013 at 12:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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