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| liam.pike1 Groupie Australia Joined 3752 days ago 84 posts - 122 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Esperanto, French | Message 9 of 27 10 February 2015 at 12:07am | IP Logged | ||
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I've contacted user 'Ericounet', the legendary creator of the FSI site, and have linked him this thread. Let's see if he
is willing to take on the project of uploading the text and audio to his FSI website. Fingers crossed. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ericounet Senior Member France yojik.euRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5433 days ago 157 posts - 414 votes Studies: English, German, Russian | Message 10 of 27 10 February 2015 at 6:43am | IP Logged | ||
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hi
I was "out" for some time ... working on my website and my home network (ipv6 etc ...), OCRing / formating Chinese FSI and DLI .. work in progress!(I'm learning Chinese at the moment :) ) I'll take a look this evening Best regards Eric Edited by Ericounet on 10 February 2015 at 6:45am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5781 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 11 of 27 10 February 2015 at 11:43am | IP Logged | ||
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We have to be careful here. I'm all for this work being made available; but given the
constant attacks (from companies that repackage and sell FSI courses) on all of the hosts (past and present) of these courses, in spite of the great work done by people like Demipuppet to include proof of their tapes they rip from, we don't want to risk giving them ammunition and bringing the whole of this fantastic resource to an end by including something that probably isn't public domain. Edited by Random review on 10 February 2015 at 11:44am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Ericounet Senior Member France yojik.euRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5433 days ago 157 posts - 414 votes Studies: English, German, Russian | Message 12 of 27 10 February 2015 at 1:29pm | IP Logged | ||
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hi,
I have an idea: I have a spare server with nothing on it (3€ / Month) I have also names available (like yojik.org and yojik. fr) We can post the material on it. If no problem come out, we could put it on the main site. Just an idea. But it would be better to have a clear idea of the material: public domain or not; 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Speakeasy Senior Member Canada Joined 4050 days ago 507 posts - 1098 votes Studies: German | Message 13 of 27 10 February 2015 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | ||
I appreciate everyone's concern about protecting the FSI/DLI site contents, both technically and legally. In one of my posts (see the quote, below) I suggested that it might be possible to obtain authorisation to post this material. That is, even though the text is posted on the ERIC website, I did NOT interpret this as an indication that the material was in the public domain. Furthermore, I have not yet attempted to obtain the authorisation to publish this material as it would have been rather pointless to do so had no one agreed to host it on a server.
So then, the question arises: who should contact the E.I.L. in this regard? While I am willing to do, I cannot guarantee the results. Communicating with the two people that I identified above was a long, difficult process. As Neumanc reported, they did not even bother replying to his request. On the positive side, in response to one of my questions, Ms. Beatriz Fantini confirmed to me that she had prepared the original text. Additionally, she is the wife of the author of the course, Mr. Alvino Fantini. On the negative side, even though Mr. Fantini is the author, and is a Director of E.I.L., it is possible that he might not have the rights to the intellectual property, which might have accrued to his employer, the E.I.L. So, gaining permission to host the material could be a long process! I am quite willing to contact Ms. Beatriz Fantini. However, to be quite frank, I would be pleased if someone else were to step in and handle this; I am not at all versed in the kind of language that should be used in the written permission that would be required to protect the FSI/DLI websites. Next step? Edited by Speakeasy on 10 February 2015 at 3:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Speakeasy Senior Member Canada Joined 4050 days ago 507 posts - 1098 votes Studies: German | Message 14 of 27 11 February 2015 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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RANDOM REVIEW and ERICOUNET:
So as to maintain the momentum of this project, I am prepared to send an Email to Ms. Beatriz Fantini. My request would be worded as follows: DRAFT TEXT: START Members of the “How-To-Learn-Any-Language” forum have asked me to seek authorisation to host the audio recordings that accompany E.I.L. Italian course on a website that contains numerous other language courses from the 1960’s. Access to this website is free-of-charge and the original creators of the materials and holders of the copyright to the materials do not receive compensation of any sort. Administrators of the website have the right to relocate, distribute, or publish the material in any other media of their choice and have no obligation to advise the the original creators of the materials and holders of the copyright to the materials. With a view to obtaining authorisation to provide free access to the audio recordings, could you please forward this request to the appropriate person/persons at the E.I.L. (Experiment in International Living) and forward their reply to me? Thank you, kindly. DRAFT TEXT:END IS THIS OKAY? I have no legal training whatsoever, I am not aware of the legal issues involved and I have never requested authorisation of this sort. Does the above text meet your requirements and, if not, would you prefer to (a) provide me with an alternative text, or (b) make the request for authorisation yourselves? Ciao! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| daristani Senior Member United States Joined 7142 days ago 752 posts - 1661 votes Studies: Uzbek | Message 15 of 27 11 February 2015 at 9:13pm | IP Logged | ||
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A suggestion for your consideration:
Given the relative obscurity and current near-inavailability of the materials in question, they're likely to disappear almost entirely from human memory, and certainly from use, if the audio isn't somehow made more broadly available to people. So I think that, in addition to seeking the permission, you might want to provide a bit of motivation to the creator(s) of the materials, both in terms of keeping their materials "alive" and in use and also aiding those learners of Italian who can't find similar materials for Italian which use this approach of audio drills. You could express this in any way you like, but I think that something along the following lines might possibly garner a bit more favorable consideration: "There are few similar materials for learners of Italian which provide the volume of audio drill materials that the E.I.L. materials offer. (Learners of Spanish, French, German, and other languages can find abundant such materials at the site in question, but students of Italian are at a disadvantage.) The E.I.L. Italian materials would thus be much appreciated by those learners, and their continued free availability there would give them substantially greater visibility and ensure their use by language learners for years to come." You might also include the URL to this discussion post to illustrate the background to the request, and particularly the lengthy comments by neumanc which show how unique these materials are and why they would be so welcome to students of Italian. Personally, I think it would be a real shame for these materials not to get the attention and the use they deserve, and I hope that the effort is successful. A lot of excellent language materials were produced in the past few decades, but because they haven't been kept on the "market", a good many have almost disappeared from memory. The books are often accessible, but the audio materials seem to be impossible to obtain in many cases. In any event, I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that the effort succeeds. Edited by daristani on 11 February 2015 at 9:19pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Ericounet Senior Member France yojik.euRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5433 days ago 157 posts - 414 votes Studies: English, German, Russian | Message 16 of 27 11 February 2015 at 9:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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hi
you could add that I (the yojik website) pay myself for the server without any ad or any other income (from the whole website), and that I manage the server, format some documents, correct the errors on my free time. Th website is totally free and everybody can make a copy of the FSI/DLI material. (and it's strongly recommended to keep as many copies as possible) Eric 1 person has voted this message useful |
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