Zhuangzi Nonaglot Language Program Publisher Senior Member Canada lingq.com Joined 7029 days ago 646 posts - 688 votes Speaks: English*, French, Japanese, Swedish, Mandarin, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Russian
| Message 233 of 489 27 July 2007 at 10:28pm | IP Logged |
There are so many complicated theories about the effects of different activities like listening and reading, how they will affect this or corrupt that. Do what you want to do in the language but get in contact with the language. It is not that complicated.
If you are motivated to learn, and pursue the language with a spirit of independence, searching out content to learn from and people to talk to, and if you do not resist the language, and if you can imitate "them", and see yourself as one of "them", you will achieve all you want to achieve.
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sergiu Diglot Senior Member Romania freewebs.com/invata_ Joined 6440 days ago 105 posts - 108 votes Speaks: Romanian*, English Studies: German
| Message 234 of 489 28 July 2007 at 9:48am | IP Logged |
I agree that this thread is too long and should be closed.It's up to the administrator to do it.
It's because some people like methods and every aspect of them to be controled and managed to achieve "maximum efficiency" more than actually listening to audiobooks or turn on the radio for some foreign broadcast..
Do not resist the language!
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siomotteikiru Senior Member Zaire Joined 6362 days ago 102 posts - 242 votes
| Message 235 of 489 28 July 2007 at 2:21pm | IP Logged |
Homage to sheetz.
A thing of beauty is a joy for ever.
www.stultorum.pochta.ru/aaaa/Haru.mp3
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siomotteikiru Senior Member Zaire Joined 6362 days ago 102 posts - 242 votes
| Message 236 of 489 29 July 2007 at 3:20am | IP Logged |
PREPARING
Awareness
Knowing what
Knowing how
Setting goals
extra-linguistic
linguistic
Gathering materials
Time (Have you lived a million hours?)
Language skills in your mother tongue
LEARNING (= putting into your head)
“listening-reading”
incubation period
“natural listening”
pronunciation
phonetic listening
reproduction
repeating after the reader
recitation
speaking
reproduction
production
reading
“listening-reading”
reading proper
writing
reproduction
writing proper
USING
COMMUNICATION
CONVERSATION
listening skills
pronunciation
pragmatic skills
vocabulary
grammar
TESTING
good for nothing
it’s for teachers to make you believe they are necessary and they know better
it’s for publishers to trick you into buying their books
it’s for school authorities and politicians to make a living and control you, and tell you what you should do and fear them
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asad100101 Diglot Senior Member Pakistan languagel.blogspot.c Joined 6456 days ago 118 posts - 137 votes Speaks: Hindi*, English
| Message 237 of 489 29 July 2007 at 6:10am | IP Logged |
I agree with above points. I was shocked to see the teaching methods of American professors. They are not qiute different from those that are taught by teachers in non-english-speaking countries. I bought a product made by a new york university. One of the professors was a phd - was going through some boring grammar drills on the blackboard. And he was teaching the same boring rules:
Would you+like+something
Do you wanna something?
etc....what he was speaking in his own words was more more helpful to me than what he was exactly teaching.
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Zhuangzi Nonaglot Language Program Publisher Senior Member Canada lingq.com Joined 7029 days ago 646 posts - 688 votes Speaks: English*, French, Japanese, Swedish, Mandarin, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Russian
| Message 238 of 489 29 July 2007 at 10:28am | IP Logged |
siomotteikiru
A little cryptic but a list with which I largely concur
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siomotteikiru Senior Member Zaire Joined 6362 days ago 102 posts - 242 votes
| Message 239 of 489 31 July 2007 at 2:37am | IP Logged |
Many people (the majority?) pay more attention to WHO says something than to WHAT is said.
That is in contradiction with Rule Number One of thinking:
Amicus Plato sed magis amica veritas.
This major flaw in human thinking is rampant on this board, too.
“Ardaschir himself said...” “God herself/himself said...” “Assimil...” “Pimsleur...” “FSI...”
I have nothing against Ardaschir – I, as many here, admire him. I’ve read some of his posts, he is really a great man, and a real gentleman. But gentlemen can be wrong, too.
When I post something like this
Hic sunt leones: www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\americageography.gif
or say censorship is rampant in the YOU ESS ov AI, I have nothing against individual human beings who just happen to be North Americans.
I have nothing against polyglots, either. Some of them know twenty languages, but, unfortunately, have nothing to say.
My country is the world and my religion is to fight stupidity (my own in particular), and stupidity, they say, is more plentiful than hydrogen in the Universe.
Edited by siomotteikiru on 31 July 2007 at 2:46am
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lloydkirk Diglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6414 days ago 429 posts - 452 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian
| Message 240 of 489 31 July 2007 at 9:47am | IP Logged |
siomotteikiru wrote:
When I post something like this
Hic sunt leones: www.stultorum.pochta.ru\aaaa\americageography.gif
or say censorship is rampant in the YOU ESS ov AI, I have nothing against individual human beings who just happen to be North Americans.
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Is that your perception of the average American? LOL, very amusing. I'm half american, a dual citizen and have spent a great deal of time in "YOU ESS ov AI". I can tell you thats not how most americans think and it is utterly laughable thats how you percieve us.
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