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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7205 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 281 of 713 28 April 2012 at 12:44am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
That is very helpful background information. You have me now thinking about this challenge more along the lines of extensive rather than intensive reading, which is where I was mostly at before I read your post.
That is also interesting. I did a quick shortest possible qualification and came up with 10000 pages and 300 hours of listening. That would be if every book happened to have 100 pages. But now of course I'm wondering what would happen by extensively reading 100 books. When I was a child just learning my first language we had a course in "using the context" to figure out what words meant. That was a key for me to not look up every word I didn't know. That little trick plus a very silly "bookworm" where I made a mark on a piece of construction paper cut in the shape of a "bookworm" for every book I read (no constraints on what constituted a book - I read a lot of easy things). I did that during the summer, when we were off from school. I think I read about 300 books. Like I said, many of them were very easy. My next year in school I really took off, even though I had been a very good student all along.
One more great piece shared experience. You've got me really rethinking my entire approach to this challenge. I wonder where it will take us. Edited by luke on 28 April 2012 at 12:47am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Brun Ugle Diglot Senior Member Norway brunugle.wordpress.c Joined 6620 days ago 1292 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English*, NorwegianC1 Studies: Japanese, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish | Message 282 of 713 28 April 2012 at 8:12am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
Interestingly/ironically enough, the better I get, the slower I get. Now that I know a lot of words, I read them all. I understand better, of course, but I now read more of the words which does slow me down a little. Of course my speed is bound to increase again as I get more practice. There is also the problem of teaching my eyes to go from top to bottom instead of left to right. When you know the meanings of the words, reading speed depends a great deal on eye-movements. Having moved my eyes left to right since I was a tiny child, I'm having a bit of difficulty getting them to work properly in another direction. Sometimes I have to use my finger, otherwise I often hop over a line or start rereading the same line. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Katze Diglot Newbie Germany Joined 5060 days ago 11 posts - 11 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC1 Studies: French, Japanese | Message 283 of 713 28 April 2012 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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Well until now I was just reading in this forum. A few days ago I saw this thread here. At first, I thought it was just ridiculous. Not the movies, but 100 books in 20 months … However, somehow I got interested in this subject. I don’t know, if I can explain it correctly. But when I was thinking about it, it showed a different way of setting up a goal. Usually I set my goal for a language like “One day I would like to speak/understand this language” or “One day I would like to be able to read a book in this language”. And now someone came up with the idea of saying “within a fixed time read x books and watch x movies”. Not “would like to be able to” but “read / watch!”. And that different way of setting a goal appealed to me (for this I would like to thank Solfrid Cristin)
So I started reading the thread, still not knowing what to think about it, cause I still thought 100 books in a language around level B1 are not possible within this time. When the talking about the half challenge came up, I thought about participating myself. Now the question was, which language to take. The last 3 – 4 months I was neglecting my Japanese studies, cause I got somehow stuck. I thought about taking French or Spanish for the challenge but if I’ll do this, I wont have enough time for Japanese. A thought I did not like at all. Therefore, I give the half challenge a try with Japanese. I do not know, if I make it with the 50 books, but it might be a chance to get on with my Japanese studies (even it will probably drive me crazy the first 3-4 months…) I do have some questions: I have some reading material on my PC, mostly as word-documents. How would you compare a page of a word-document (font Arial Unicode size 12) with a book page? I also found some Japanese children books with pictures and therefore little text. Would you count then i.e. 4 – 5 pages as one page of reading? And now I will go to the other thread to sign up for the half challenge. I still have to figure out the twitter thing, never used it before. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Globe-trotter Triglot Newbie Netherlands Joined 4597 days ago 29 posts - 44 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German Studies: Thai | Message 284 of 713 28 April 2012 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I also joined the super challenge. I've been starting to read more in German and watch
some films and television, so this challenge should keep the motivation going :-) How should be count television series, documentaries or telenovelas? Or are they not allowed at all in this challenge?
Could you also add Thai to the bot? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5334 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 285 of 713 28 April 2012 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I would imagine a Word page would count as two regular pages, and it also sounds sensible to count five
of the pages from the children's books as one regular book. Welcome, by the way! I am happy to have contributed to give you inspiration! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4909 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 286 of 713 28 April 2012 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I've quoted the rules as originally stated. Solfrid, would you be able to post a final version, including any bits discussed after the original post? Some questions and comments: What do children's books count as? 1/5 of a book? How much podcast time counts as a film? (I might listen to a lot of French and Hindi news). How do we count series? 1 hour episodes count as a film, and 2 half hour episodes count as a film? Manga/comics/BD count as 1/5 of a book? I'm just thinking, Tintin comics are about 50 pages... if they count as 1/5 pages, you'd have to read 10 to count as a book. I'd rather count them as 1/5 of a book. You mentioned L/R can count as either reading or a film. How many films then? Personally, I think it would be easier to say L/R counts as a book... after all, it is reading. (As for me, most of my reading in French will be along with the audio, at least initially). Have I missed anything? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 287 of 713 28 April 2012 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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audiobooks/podcasts/LR count as 1.5h=1 film.
As for LR, an important part of it is reading in your L1 while listening in your L2. That's why it's up to you how to count. For example, I do think that if I, say, listen in Polish and read in German, or listen in Danish and read in Italian, I can count the audio as several movies and the book as one book. What counts as what is fully listed in this thread. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Kerrie Senior Member United States justpaste.it/Kerrie2 Joined 5395 days ago 1232 posts - 1740 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 288 of 713 28 April 2012 at 9:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I have tried doing this on a small scale (with my French- and Spanish-based Assimil books), and it's really hard to do unless the language you're reading in is fairly strong. I have no problem reading in Spanish, but even though I can read French fairly well, I can't read French while listening to a newer language. I have to read through and translate it before I listen to it. Maybe Marina is Super-Serpent though. :D EDIT: My grammar sucks today. lol Edited by Kerrie on 28 April 2012 at 9:29pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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