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| kujichagulia Senior Member Japan Joined 4839 days ago 1031 posts - 1571 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese | Message 17 of 76 18 July 2012 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
Oh, yes, definitely I have more time than that. That time I mentioned was my do-nothing-but-study time. But I always have the TV on during meals at home. I listen to audio at the gym, although it's only JapanesePod101 and some Esperanto podcasts. I need to get some better material for my iPod. The CDs that came with my textbook are extremely dry. If you know of a place where I could get some Japanese audiobooks at an intermediate level (preferably free, but I would consider paying), please let me know. As for music... I tried, but I'm not a Japanese music fan (and neither is my wife!). Well... specifically I should say that I'm not a J-POP fan. I do have one Japanese hip-hop CD by Teriyaki Boyz (a good one, with production by some famous American producers), but that is beyond my level right now. If anyone has any suggestions for some good, under-the-radar Japanese music, let me know. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4525 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 18 of 76 18 July 2012 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
Glad the post was helpful. I am still not fluent so my ideas are more theoretical (but I have made much more progress concentrating on input in the past two months than in the previous seven years). The Polish guys at Antimoon, who taught themselves fluent English, have some interesting things to say about concentrating on input too: http://antimoon.com/how/input.htm I guess, if you are like me, and you have started on and off to try to learn a language, what it helpful is to get a routine going. I do Anki first thing in the morning to get it out of the way (perhaps if you are awake you could do that on your commute?). Then I just concentrate on reading/watching stuff. I watch a lot of TV shows/movies with my wife. At first it was pretty limited, but I was amazed how fast I started understanding what was going on; something I hadn't been able to do for seven years previously. Why don't you try one of the super-challenges? Or half-challenges? It's not to late to join. Edited by patrickwilken on 18 July 2012 at 2:44pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4525 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 19 of 76 18 July 2012 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
I listen to L2 music a lot, but I think music is the hardest to understand if your vocabulary is low, because there is so little context. I have some vague hope that the music is activating the L2 part of my cortex and somehow helping learning, but that's only a hope. :) I find shows in which there is some expressed action visually much easier to follow (so Breaking Bad is good; Mad Men not so easy). What is really helping is the combination of vocabulary building with Anki in the morning, in combination with active listening via TV or reading graphic novels in the afternoon. It's always surprising how many words you learn suddenly start popping up in shows. Edited by patrickwilken on 18 July 2012 at 2:55pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5524 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 20 of 76 18 July 2012 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's really cool! I want to be careful about giving you advice, because French and Japanese pose very different sets of issues, and every couple is different. So I'll just offer you some experiences as data points. I actually tried to learn French from my wife years ago, and we managed about 30 minutes before we were both halfway nuts. Her teaching style and my learning style were completely incompatible, and there was no way it was ever going to work. But once I could speak some actual French (badly, like a 3-year-old), we could speak it together. And once I started speaking, it took me about 3 weeks of evenings and weekends to get through the worst of it. As for input, some people will make enormous progress from input and study. But I also know someone with roughly C1 comprehension and 20+ years of exposure who claims she can't put a sentence together. Some folks need to deliberately activate their output at some point, even if they've heard a language every day since birth. I don't say this to discourage you from an input-only approach, which works great for some people. I just think that Antimoon and AJATT, for all their awesomeness, are insufficient for certain students. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| atama warui Triglot Senior Member Japan Joined 4693 days ago 594 posts - 985 votes Speaks: German*, English, Japanese | Message 21 of 76 18 July 2012 at 9:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
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kujichaguliaさん、こんにちは。
このフォーラムはよく文字化けが出ますが、 ちょっとあいさつしようと思ってました。 最初、いいな。。家族と一緒に魅了的な国に 住むのは楽しいですね。日本語のできない外 国人がたくさんいます。英語ができたら、日 本語を学ぶ必要はないんですが、そのまま豊 かな文化が殆ど気づけて楽しめませんね。そ の気持、良くわかりますよ。それに。。無理 矢理に日本語を勉強するって大変だと思いま す。さあ。。どうすればいいですね。日本に 引っ越す理由、覚えられますか。その時、日 本語が好きでしたか。それなら、日本語の良 いところはどこでしたか。きちんと考えると 、何とかもう一度勉強したくなるでしょう。 とりあえず、お互いに頑張りましょう :) P.S.: Bet this forum's gonna rape the entry again. It hates Japanese even more than you. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| ZombieKing Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4519 days ago 247 posts - 324 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin* | Message 22 of 76 19 July 2012 at 12:58am | IP Logged | |||||
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Okay, A2/B1 isn't bad at all. It's good that you have a solid foundation in Japanese. Perhaps L & R really is the way to go?
Seems like you've already gotten tons of good advice! :D I agree with what the article patrickwilken wrote. Input is what really needs to be focused on in the earlier levels. The way I see it is, I'd rather be able to understand everyone around me, and be able to reply with short answers instead of not understanding more than a few words people say to me (and be totally lost), but be able to pull out tons of stock phrases I've memorised from language courses. Of course, the former is an extreme case, and I doubt that'll happen to many people here :P but you get the point. I hope xD 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| kujichagulia Senior Member Japan Joined 4839 days ago 1031 posts - 1571 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese | Message 23 of 76 19 July 2012 at 4:53am | IP Logged | |||||
I do SRS at lunchtime and during other different times while at work. The SRS is the most routine routine I have right now.
I didn't even realize there were half-challenges! Are those the 6WC? That may be something to consider if I can meet the criteria. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| kujichagulia Senior Member Japan Joined 4839 days ago 1031 posts - 1571 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese | Message 24 of 76 19 July 2012 at 4:55am | IP Logged | |||||
I do think I need some output. Plus I do enjoy writing, even if it's just a few lines. But I think I need to step up my input to get more vocabulary. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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