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nimchimpsky
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Message 49 of 509

17 December 2009 at 4:45pm | IP Logged

'Elkaar' is more formal.
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tommus
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Message 50 of 509

18 December 2009 at 2:07pm | IP Logged

FAQ-NL: Difference between 'maatschappij and 'bedrijf'?

I think of maatschappij=company and bedrijf=business, where company is generally large, well-established such as Philips or Microsoft, and a business is general smaller such as a local business. However, both are often used interchangeably. Is that the same situation with 'maatschappij and 'bedrijf'? Are there other differences?
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Vinbelgium
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Message 51 of 509

18 December 2009 at 4:57pm | IP Logged

tommus wrote:

FAQ-NL: Difference between 'maatschappij and 'bedrijf'?

Bedrijf and maatschappij are synonymous. They both mean 'company'. However 'maatschappij' also means 'society'; then it's synonymous with 'gemeenschap, samenleving'.
Bedrijf is more commonly used in the meaning of 'company'. 'Maatschappij' (meaning 'company' only occurs in some fixed expressions.

E.g. 'NMBS' = Nationale Maatschappij der Belgische Spoorwegen
Een luchtvaartmaatschappij = an airline
Het gaat niet goed met de maatschappij. = Het gaat niet goed met de samenleving.

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elvisrules
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Message 52 of 509

19 December 2009 at 2:14pm | IP Logged

Sellars wrote:

I can see why you'd prefer the -n- to belong to the word preceding "het". I don't think that necessarily has to be the case. The h- from "het" is dropped in connected speech. In my ipinion the -n- is a connection between "legde" and "het", whereby the -n- does not belong to any of the two words. The phase becomes something like "legde-n-et op zijn knie".

I don't know about Netherlands-Dutch, but in Flemish the "connector n" appears in a lot of circumstances before vowels, and the letters b, d, t and h, for examples:
1) diminutives: Dat manneke van [...] but Dat manneken dat [...]
2) superlatives: Het ergste was [...] but Het ergsten is [...]
3) male nouns: De man [...] but Den andere man [...]

Some Flemings might deny saying this, but if you listen to them speak you'll hear it quite clearly, even from those who speak very close to standard Dutch.

Edited by elvisrules on 19 December 2009 at 2:15pm
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Sellars
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Message 53 of 509

19 December 2009 at 11:25pm | IP Logged

elvisrules wrote:

Exactly! This phenomenon is also common in Netherlands-Dutch. At least, it is in the south of the Netherlands (Brabant). I have no intuition about the "Holland" dialects and the dialects in the north of the Netherlands, and I'm also not familiar with any linguistic evidence on this, but I suspect it is not very different.

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Sellars
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Message 54 of 509

19 December 2009 at 11:27pm | IP Logged

Vinbelgium wrote:

tommus wrote:

FAQ-NL: Difference between 'maatschappij and 'bedrijf'?

I know Maatschappij only in very old-fashioned contexts. Intuitively I would say using maatschappij for a business precedes the 1950's
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koffiegast
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Message 55 of 509

21 December 2009 at 3:06am | IP Logged

I don't think that I've ever heard of a connector n.

I'm from around Amsterdam (but don't have an Amsterdam accent that replaces z with sj sounds for example)
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Sellars
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Message 56 of 509

21 December 2009 at 9:12pm | IP Logged

koffiegast wrote:

I don't think that I've ever heard of a connector n.

What I tried to explain was what is called assimilation in phonology. In assimilation the preceding phoneme(s) can adopt features from the following phoneme, in this case the tongue in the front of the mouth, ready to pronounce the "d". Try saying "n" and "d" following eachother a few ties to get the feel of it.

koffiegast wrote:

I'm from around Amsterdam (but don't have an Amsterdam accent that replaces z with sj sounds for example)

What you describe is called devoicing. It is common in the western-Dutch dialects. It happens to all voiced fricatives (z -> s, v -> f)

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