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| Po-ru Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5485 days ago 173 posts - 235 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Spanish, Norwegian, Mandarin, French | Message 1 of 37 08 December 2009 at 11:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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I found out about this method in April and since then I've been trying to get the concept
behind it or a shortened downed description of it. I am just wondering what this method focuses on and whether or not anyone actually does this and its effectiveness. Let me know what you guys have experienced with shadowing. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6914 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 37 09 December 2009 at 12:57am | IP Logged | ||
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I have found it a quite valuable exercise in combination with isolated pronunciation, chorusing (see the forum glossary for definitions), listening comprehension and many other activities.
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6475 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 3 of 37 09 December 2009 at 9:30am | IP Logged | ||
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I have my doubts about its effectiveness for learning to speak a language. The reason: Professor Arguelles shadowed both volumes of Assimil Chinese, yet we had to resort to writing in order to have the simplest conversation in Chinese.
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| Po-ru Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5485 days ago 173 posts - 235 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Korean, Spanish, Norwegian, Mandarin, French | Message 4 of 37 09 December 2009 at 8:53pm | IP Logged | ||
I am not sure what you mean...can you explain a little further in depth? I am just not sure how this helps anyone in speaking the language. I think it would help more with pronunciation and sounding like a native speaker but I am not positive as to how it allows a person to think in the language and apply it to their speech. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6899 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 37 10 December 2009 at 2:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have done quite a bit of shadowing in Mandarin and as I see it the main purpose is developing a good accent. At least for me it takes enormous amounts of time and effort before I start seeing any results, but the results do appear in the end, and I am not aware of a better method for accent development.
I agree that the primary purpose is not to develop conversational skills. It can help with those too, though only marginally imho and compared to the massive amount of time and effort put in it is quite ineffective for that. Edited by Hencke on 10 December 2009 at 2:12pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| numerodix Trilingual Hexaglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6788 days ago 856 posts - 1226 votes Speaks: EnglishC2*, Norwegian*, Polish*, Italian, Dutch, French Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 6 of 37 10 December 2009 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | ||
When you say enormous amounts, could you quantify a bit? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Walshy Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6947 days ago 335 posts - 365 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German | Message 7 of 37 11 December 2009 at 9:48am | IP Logged | ||
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I developed a problem in German after I had been focusing purely on "German input" (reading, watching, listening), and I only learned to pronounce words in isolation.
The result of this was that when I tried to speak whole sentences, it felt to me like it was all "stuck" in my mouth, and it would sort of blend together. Even by my own ear, thanks to all the input, my accent sounded way off. Shadowing helped me immensely to get over this, now it feels much more natural when I speak. I've been shadowing Spanish too, so I can avoid this happening again. Shadowing can be integrated into a listening-reading type activity (this was the original purpose, IIRC), but personally, I've only toyed with this thus far. Edited by Walshy on 11 December 2009 at 9:48am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5565 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 8 of 37 11 December 2009 at 3:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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Funnily enough, the prof actually has a somewhat dismissive attitude to accent
acquisition. He has a series of 4 vids on the subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7RB-QQFVw Although they don't actually explain very much useful (as is the case with most of the prof's vids) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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