pigsonfire Newbie United States Joined 5076 days ago 26 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Cantonese
| Message 17 of 26 15 February 2012 at 1:55am | IP Logged |
mezzofanti wrote:
stelingo wrote:
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Why tell this guy to waste his money on something like Alif Baa? Have you ever googled
'learn arabic alphabet'? There's plenty of 100% free material that others have put up
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You ever heard of a library? Most I know can get Alif Baa (and other Arabic texts) for you for free. Also you can get copies used online for less than 10 bucks - hardly bank breaking.
Why use one of these instead of free internet material? There is some great material to be found on the internet but there is also a lot of crap. If a learner is willing to sift through all of this to find the gems - go for it! Otherwise, why not use the materials developed by professionals in Arabic instruction that have been recommended by other learners? Makes more sense to me.
I also would not downplay the complexity of Arabic. It may have been easy for you, but most learners struggle quite a bit with it. I think this is important for learners to recognize when taking the plunge to tackle a language such as Arabic. Otherwise they could be an easy set up for frustration and disappointment.
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stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5833 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin
| Message 18 of 26 15 February 2012 at 2:17am | IP Logged |
mezzofanti wrote:
stelingo wrote:
Not an opinion shared by FSI, who have been in the business of teaching
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I've been 'in the business' of specializing in Arabic for the last decade of my own
life and I'm telling you that's nonsense.
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Oh well, if you say it's nonsense, then that must be fact. Silly us and silly FSI for being so deluded.
Edited by stelingo on 15 February 2012 at 2:18am
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mezzofanti Octoglot Senior Member Australia mezzoguild.com Joined 4749 days ago 51 posts - 112 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), Arabic (Egyptian), Irish, Arabic (Levantine) Studies: Korean, Georgian, French
| Message 19 of 26 15 February 2012 at 7:29am | IP Logged |
pigsonfire wrote:
There is some great material to be found on the internet but there is
also a lot of crap. If a learner is willing to sift through all of this to find the
gems - go for it! Otherwise, why not use the materials developed by professionals in
Arabic instruction that have been recommended by other learners? Makes more sense to
me.
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Sift through all the crap to find gems? I just searched 'learn arabic alphabet' on
Google and the number 1 result that came back was an excellent, free source for
learning the alphabet.
I didn't have to sift through anything and guess what? I saved myself $10 and a trip
to the public library!
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mezzofanti Octoglot Senior Member Australia mezzoguild.com Joined 4749 days ago 51 posts - 112 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), Arabic (Egyptian), Irish, Arabic (Levantine) Studies: Korean, Georgian, French
| Message 20 of 26 15 February 2012 at 7:44am | IP Logged |
stelingo wrote:
mezzofanti wrote:
stelingo wrote:
Not an opinion shared by FSI, who
have been in the business of teaching
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I've been 'in the business' of specializing in Arabic for the last decade of my own
life and I'm telling you that's nonsense.
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Oh well, if you say it's nonsense, then that must be fact. Silly us and silly FSI for
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If you're referring to the FSI Language Difficulty Categories, they're not accurate and
I'm sure a lot of people would agree with me. God knows why they ranked languages like
Icelandic, Finnish and Georgian as easier to learn than Arabic.
Arabic should be in category 3, not 5.
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liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6230 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written)
| Message 21 of 26 15 February 2012 at 8:13pm | IP Logged |
Well, regardless how you choose to go about it, I think even mezzofanti would agree that you need to get a good
grasp on the alphabet before charging ahead.
One resource that I forgot to mention which is outstanding is "All The Arabic You Never Learned The First Time" It
is the clearest description of Arabic grammatical structure that I have read. I do recall that the Arabic is written in
Arabic script but aside from this I think it would be fine for a beginner. It was produced a while back by DLI and
appears to be public domain so you don't need to shell out your hard-earned cash for it ( or go to a library if you
have an aversion to them like mezzofanti ;-) ) I believe this link still works for it :
http://www.mediafire.com/?1hepkzzczlj5z4i
& mezzofanti.... I must admit , I do like your blog!
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endation Triglot Newbie United States mattgrabermusic.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6300 days ago 28 posts - 28 votes Speaks: English*, Modern Hebrew, Spanish Studies: French, German, Russian, Portuguese, Mandarin
| Message 22 of 26 15 February 2012 at 10:50pm | IP Logged |
Has anyone here used the Assimil Arabic course? If so, what did you think of it?
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zenmonkey Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6553 days ago 803 posts - 1119 votes 1 sounds Speaks: EnglishC2*, Spanish*, French, German Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew
| Message 23 of 26 16 February 2012 at 1:07am | IP Logged |
endation wrote:
Has anyone here used the Assimil Arabic course? If so, what did you think of it? |
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I'm a big fan of Assimil and this is no exception. It is excellent.
However, the first lessons are artificially slow and will drive you crazy.
I suggest you mix and match with Living Language and another book for learning the Alphabet first -- you'll find some references and my impression in my current log.
here
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mezzofanti Octoglot Senior Member Australia mezzoguild.com Joined 4749 days ago 51 posts - 112 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Arabic (classical), Arabic (Egyptian), Irish, Arabic (Levantine) Studies: Korean, Georgian, French
| Message 24 of 26 16 February 2012 at 9:11am | IP Logged |
liddytime wrote:
Well, regardless how you choose to go about it, I think even
mezzofanti would agree that you need to get a good
grasp on the alphabet before charging ahead.
One resource that I forgot to mention which is outstanding is "All The Arabic You Never
Learned The First Time" It
is the clearest description of Arabic grammatical structure that I have read. I do
recall that the Arabic is written in
Arabic script but aside from this I think it would be fine for a beginner. It was
produced a while back by DLI and
appears to be public domain so you don't need to shell out your hard-earned cash for it
( or go to a library if you
have an aversion to them like mezzofanti ;-) ) I believe this link still works for it
:
http://www.mediafire.com/?1hepkzzczlj5z4i
& mezzofanti.... I must admit , I do like your blog! |
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Thanks :) Yours is really interesting too!
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