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| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4699 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes  Speaks: Czech* | Message 1 of 9 14 February 2012 at 1:19am | IP Logged | ||
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the correct answer is 1, can you figure out why? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Lucky Charms Diglot Senior Member Japan lapacifica.net Joined 6949 days ago 752 posts - 1711 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: German, Spanish | Message 2 of 9 14 February 2012 at 3:16am | IP Logged | ||
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"1, of course" is the first answer that came to mind, and it took me a minute to figure out why on earth anyone would answer "3"! If you were going for a joke like I think you
were, I guess it doesn't work outside the context of the original thread :( 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6437 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 3 of 9 14 February 2012 at 5:32am | IP Logged | ||
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There are 3.
Sure you can say one is a G, one is tensed, and one is aspirated, but they are all K's. Have a Korean say "kamsahamnida" and then ask an American what letter it starts with. They will say "K." I'm actually confused as to what this thread is about. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5535 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 4 of 9 14 February 2012 at 12:40pm | IP Logged | ||
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I assume he is going for the "joke" angle as well (i.e, one K in the word "K"orean).
As to what IronFist was saying originally, though...it is my view that there are 0 "Ks" in Korean. There is a ㄱ, ㄲ, and ㅋ, but none of them are Ks. Getting stuck on equivalent letters in other languages prevents you from actually focusing on what the letter actually *sounds* like, not what letter it does or does not map to in another language (when very often there is no direct equivalent). As a flip side of your argument, you could just as easily say that there are two ㄱs in English because we distinguish between voiced (G) and unvoiced (K) in ways that they do not. In fact, none of those three Hangul letters are typically voiced at the beginning of a word/phrase, yet the English G *is* voiced by definition. Not voicing it will make it sound more like a K instead which could lead to misunderstandings the same way using the wrong aspiration or tensing in Korean. Using ㄱ for G and ㅋ for K when speaking English may allow Koreans to do a passable job, but there are still several scenarios where ㄱ would *not* normally be voiced but where the "G" must be voiced (otherwise it isn't a "G" sound). 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4699 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes Speaks: Czech* | Message 5 of 9 14 February 2012 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | ||
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Warp3 is right - If you ask "How many K's does Korean have?" the K will be heard as one of the sounds, so you are actualy asking "How many ㅋ's does Korean have?".
Also (s)he is right that they should be taught as separate sounds that are not in English, teaching them as three K's only causes confusion and problems with remembering words. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6437 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 6 of 9 14 February 2012 at 7:39pm | IP Logged | ||
omg duh  
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| IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6437 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 7 of 9 14 February 2012 at 7:41pm | IP Logged | ||
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Yeah, I know thinking of them as equivalent letters is bad and wrong.
But you will never convince me that ㄱ, ㄲ, and ㅋ do not fall under the umbrella of "K." They are all forms of K. None of them is "K," but they are all forms of K. Sometimes ㄱ is a G. But sometimes, ᄂ is a D, so whatever. Edited by IronFist on 14 February 2012 at 7:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| LaughingChimp Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4699 days ago 346 posts - 594 votes Speaks: Czech* | Message 8 of 9 14 February 2012 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | ||
Would you agree that bed bad and about are all forms of "E"? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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