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| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 433 of 439 27 June 2015 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi luke,
I hope your studying is going well. I've come to realise (actually I realised this a while back) that your studying techniques are extremely regimented. I thought I was regimented in my approach to language learning (with seemingly stricter rules) but you definitely approach your learning in a much more thoroughly thought out manner. I guess I'm just 'being present' tonight and felt like mentioning the obvious. I couldn't do what you do, but of course I'm not saying therefore you shouldn't do it. How you do it though I don't know. I guess being you it's fine. Many people couldn't do what I do unless they were me. Are they me? I highly doubt it. Anyway I'm not being entirely rediculous here (unlike a couple of posts I just made elsewhere on the forum), nor am I intoxicated. In fact I am being sincere with in a joking way I guess. I just wanted to drop by and make a comment. Keep up the decent studying. You are (sincerely) doing a great job. You're very dedicated luke and that's certainly admirable. PM 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 434 of 439 27 June 2015 at 11:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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Monsieur le PM,
It's always great to hear from you and read what you're doing. You are particularly jovial today, and that is delightful. We are similar birds of a feather, that is sure. I give as evidence of the efficacy of your methods; your elation, your pretty prose, your infectious humor. Your comments are very interesting to me. I've been thinking I'm dialing back on the rigor of my studies by going straight for the end game, the goal. I'm having fun with the ten year reading plan. My latest thoughts is to think of studying in terms of places, methods, and materials. Place: Bathrooms. Materials: Assimil and books relevant to my life. Methods, you've heard them before, waves, reading, notes, repeating. Other places: car, gym, wandering, studying at computer. Methods: Listening, reading, listen/reading, FSI, dedication to materials. Major materials: Ten Year Reading Plan, FSI, Assimil, personal books. I was thinking about you and me over the last day or so. My tentative conclusion is to use time wisely and work on things that delight now, and will seem to have been worthwhile down the road. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 435 of 439 28 June 2015 at 5:23am | IP Logged | ||
Interesting reflections luke... Thanks for the positive comments too :) I must add that I declared recently to be delving back into the reading and stepping away from my courses. Exactly the opposite has happened [I"m not my fault right? it just 'happened' to me ;)]. I've been diving back into my courses as it seems to be what I enjoy- working through them systematically lesson by lesson. I couldn't use the approach that many others take on this forum (which is fine too, but not for me) that is, to skip chapters, skip harder/boring sections and so on- or even not study grammar at all. I just feel like in a world in which we are 'trained' to be entertained and to 'have fun' (total BS imo- total distraction- don't get me wrong I'm very well 'trained' myself). All in all what I'm getting at is that hard work gets you there (from my perspective personally), do what you got to do, (for me work my way through each and every page of my courses, taking on board what I learn and I am bound to advance). This is one point we seem very similar on (thorough approach)- design a program (me it's a set of courses, you it's a seemingly smaller set of 'heavy' courses and a more particular method/wave/track/approach). I perhaps have a lot more courses? You don't but you go back through the decent courses many many times, approaching them differently each time. I think we are alike in this for sure- we want to practise things 'thoroughly'. Many people on this forum really get a lot out of reading and other such activities, which perhaps given my background I've not really taken to in a 'heavy' way.... yet- or I don't choose books but read online. I totally will, like totally, get into heavier reading at some point. However I've got some work to do in the meantime, and I'm enjoying it. You have of course delved much more into the reading, but still remain dedicated to your coursework also (maybe not as much lately?). I think decent persistent coursework is often overlooked. I'm progressing slowly but i'm progressing nicely. I still watch the French news almost daily and my comprehension is suddenly vastly improving lately. I"m sticking to my guns (courses) for now at least. That B2 is looking likely in the nearish future I believe. I must add the watching and reading here and there is likely adding to my comprehension 'jump' of late too. As for truncated silence- The reason I won't go near any such things lately is one of a procastination issue in the past that I now view as having cost me far more than I realised (do I sense regret monsieur le PM? Bien-sûr que non !). In the past I found I wasted far too much time procrastinating and fiddling with purchasing courses, researching methods, ripping course CDs into multiple formats, on backup drives in nicely crafted folders, fiddling with computer programs and the like. I'm not fantastic with IT either (makes me slower, as does perfectionism). So now all I want to do is simply study, study, learn, learn. And any suggestion of fiddling around more than downloading an app, checking out a website, or tweaking my SRS (which I only just tolerate) I don't want to know about it. I can see the value in it for sure, but i'm doing fine myself without it. One last point... Often the people here on HTLAL have made the comment that courses or SRS are like being a tourist- ie not 'using' the language. I in fact agreed with Jeffers wholeheartedly on this point recently. I still absolutely agree... but, if you do enough courses containing enough drills and exercises and speak out loud each and every single French syllable contained in the courses (shadowing, repeating, and the like) with the aim to perfect pronounciation and comprehension, it's still going to work. It won't give the passive vocab that reading does if you're approaching courses like I do, but it will certainly do something. Obviously balance is the key, but I'm not ready for (serious) balance. I'd rather lean profoundly to one side for the time being (i'm the opposite of the 'early readers' out there). Fry on 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 436 of 439 10 July 2015 at 2:30am | IP Logged | ||
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It's good to hear from you Monsieur PM. We both have consistancy and a track record of sticking to our
guns. As long as one has that, we shall overcome. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 437 of 439 10 July 2015 at 11:14am | IP Logged | ||
I'll drink to that, coz that's what one does, isn't it? I mean, drink? That is pour cell damaging liquids into one's body which disrupts all kinds of bodily functions in order to celebrate. What weird, disconnected beings us humans are. Do you think we might have taken a wrong turn at some point? Back onto French, yep, consistency is definitely paying dividends for us, all be it they are taking some time to build in value those dividends but it's certainly worthwhile. Fry a fry for Fry's sake, but make sure you use GMO vegetable oils to keep your government happy PM 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5477 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1 | Message 438 of 439 25 August 2015 at 3:43am | IP Logged | ||
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Hi luke,
I think I posted in the wrong spot initially. I'm just wondering if you'll be continuing on the .org site or not. If not, how's things? PM 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7206 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 439 of 439 01 September 2015 at 10:32am | IP Logged | ||
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Monsieur le PM,
I'm a bit on both sites. I've been continuing my Path to Polyliteracy Ten Year Reading Plan but have been supplementing it with some easier material. The current book is Le Journal d’une Femme de Chambre which has a nice voice and isn't as demanding as things like Du Contrat Social or Gargantua and Pantagruel. I was reading the Listen-Reading page and the author wrote about 5 levels of books. I've been hitting books at the 4th and 5th levels (the hardest) and may benefit more from books at the second and third levels. Thanks for asking. I miss you guys. Edited by luke on 01 September 2015 at 10:33am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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