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| BaronBill Triglot Senior Member United States HowToLanguages.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4690 days ago 335 posts - 594 votes  Speaks: English*, French, German Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Persian | Message 9 of 28 14 March 2013 at 5:38pm | IP Logged | ||
I could see this working if it were a 5-15 minute clip repeated over and over (20+ times) with subtitles and without subtitles along with a healthy dose of shadowing. That is probably not what the OP had in mind, though. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| g-bod Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5983 days ago 1485 posts - 2002 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, German | Message 10 of 28 14 March 2013 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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My husband has watched about as many hours of Japanese TV, subbed and unsubbed, as me. He has practically no ability in Japanese. So I'd conclude that a lot of what I can do in Japanese has something to do with all the other stuff I've done to actually learn the language.
Unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to repeat the experiment with a language more closely related to English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 11 of 28 14 March 2013 at 8:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Don't Scandinavians reach passive fluency basically by watching TV in the neighbouring languages? Mostly even without subtitles, I believe. A learner will not have the same ability without exposure, and kids might also need to have things translated for them.
It's also common with Portuguese speakers watching stuff in Spanish, I think. Again no subtitles? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| vvaamim Diglot Newbie United States Joined 4955 days ago 11 posts - 12 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish | Message 12 of 28 14 March 2013 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | ||
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I can attest that much of what I learn in comes from music. I sometime find myself saying words in another
language wondering where I learnt them from and later I realize it was from a song. Word order and pronunciation ,too. But I do read a lot on the side and look at translations of the songs 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 28 14 March 2013 at 10:47pm | IP Logged | ||
Passive fluency for those who pay attention, yes, but probably not without subtitles. That is, everything in another language than Swedish has subtitles, and those who have paid attention to say, Norwegian (and to some extent Danish) TV, can understand a lot without them. They are like training wheels which we eventually don't need. I for one can't comprehend why the talk show host Fredrik Skavlan is subtitled. However, not everybody watches Norwegian programs/films (at all), and even if they do, it's not that they automatically will pay attention to the audio. So, not everybody will claim passive fluency. Sad but true. Related topic: Read but can't speak Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 14 March 2013 at 11:49pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 14 of 28 14 March 2013 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | ||
do you know the site http://lyricstraining.com ? :)))) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| zerrubabbel Senior Member United States Joined 4601 days ago 232 posts - 287 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Mandarin | Message 15 of 28 15 March 2013 at 12:41am | IP Logged | ||
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I can say from my own experience, that even after getting to a good level in a language, only watching subtitled
films will get you no farther. However, if you are listening closely, actively trying to understand, [you should also skip the subs], and you have a dictionary handy, you can actually learn quite a lot. Granted, until you make an effort to use it, it will remain in the passive category of your ability. As for music, I think it takes advantage of creating patterns like rhyming, the tune, the chorus, and also the meaning it conveys. I also think singing along to it, helps make it become a more active part of your language ability -As a side note, depending on the subject of which you are watching or listening, it makes a very natural spaced repetition sequence, just like reading but for your ears. Thats probably stating the obvious but that never hurt anyone right? XD 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 16 of 28 15 March 2013 at 5:54am | IP Logged | ||
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