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| Nudimmud Groupie United States Joined 5183 days ago 87 posts - 161 votes  Studies: Greek, Korean | Message 1 of 52 08 September 2010 at 1:34am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm a terrible language learner, being in the 40+ crowd and having a bad memory, the deck is definitely stacked against me. Tried French, German and Ancient Greek in college and didn't really got past collecting a few words and the ability to decline some nouns. Recently did manage to teach myself Modern Greek to what is probably an advanced basic level. My interest in Korean is two fold: 1) I have a friend who speaks the language and 2) It seems to be the least insanely difficult East/South Asian language for westerner to learn to speak and write. I'm hoping to average 30 - 45 minutes/day. Resource in approximate order: Pimsleur I & II Let's Speak Korean (old course) Let's Speak Korean (new course) My Korean FSI Harry Potter series (text only) Korean Movies: I plan to start using movies and other Korean media right away. My method will be to use movies that have English and Korean Subtitles. The process is roughly as follows: - Watch 5 minute interval. - Type up transcript of Korean - Put segment into SRS. (1 day, 2 days, 4 days, 8 days, etc) - The next time it comes up review Korean transcript, type up English transcript in parallel text to the Korean. - The next time it comes up (and all subsequent repetitions) review Korean transcript, referring to the English transcript as needed, then watch the segment. Also, once I gain some facility in the language, I plan to attend a local Korean language group and search out a Korean tutor, possibly using some online language exchange. Current ability: I'm on Pimsleur lesson #3 and Let's speak Korean #30, so I've learned to write and read all the character along with a few stock pharses and greetings. I'm trying to keep my expectations modest so the following schedule is rather multi-year. Year 1 - Extremely limited conversational ability, basic ability to read simple texts and the ability to read texts out loud so that a Korean speaker would understand 80%+ of what I said. Beginning Level Year 2 - Carry on modest conversation read extremely basic real world texts. (Advanced Beginner) Year 3 - Ability to carry on conversation on a variety of topics, ability to read popular, non-specialized text with fluency. (Intermediate verbal, advanced intermediate written) GREEK Pimsleur I & II FSI Greek by Radio Greek Now 1+1 and 2+2 Edited by Nudimmud on 30 September 2010 at 3:12am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5640 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 2 of 52 08 September 2010 at 2:12am | IP Logged | ||
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It may be easier to read, but that's the only thing easier about Korean compared to other Asian languages. Just want to point that out to you and have fun with learning Korean.
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| Nudimmud Groupie United States Joined 5183 days ago 87 posts - 161 votes Studies: Greek, Korean | Message 3 of 52 08 September 2010 at 9:23am | IP Logged | ||
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Progress 1.5 hours
Pimsleur: #4 Let's Speak Korean - listen: [29-33] Let's Speak Korean - review : (19-20) Vocab: 1 (+1) (yes, that's one word!) One thing that seems to be a theme for me is developing a fondness for the instructors of a language. That's especially true for Ahn Chakhee and Ji Seunghyeon of Let's Speak Korean and Elli, Kosta and Mr. Patridis in Greek by radio. I actually started to look forward to my lessons because they had become personal in some way. I would say that that is one of the drawbacks to Pimsleur's it's for the most part humourless and totally without personality. But I would hasten to add that, for me at least, Pimsleur's was absolutely indispensable. I don't think that it's an exaggeration to say that Pimsleur open the door of language acquisition to me. Before I used Pimsleur's when learning Greek, basically I had drifted from language to language (French, German, Ancient Greek, to name a few of my more prominent attempts), without anything sticking. Then I went thought the Pimsleur Modern Greek series I and II and suddenly I was making continuous, indisputable progress. By mastering the series I would able into integrate into and expand my knowledge by reading, watching Greek TV (though mostly dubs of cartoons such as Sponge Bob, I think Greece is in the running for the worst TV of any nation.), and using other source such as Greek by Radio. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Nudimmud Groupie United States Joined 5183 days ago 87 posts - 161 votes Studies: Greek, Korean | Message 4 of 52 08 September 2010 at 9:35am | IP Logged | ||
Well, you could add tones too... but yes learning the written language is the big advantage that I see for learning Korean over Japanese or the various flavours of Chinese. Edited by Nudimmud on 08 September 2010 at 9:35am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| aerielle Newbie Korea, South korea.calliston Joined 5323 days ago 36 posts - 42 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean | Message 5 of 52 08 September 2010 at 3:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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Good luck! :) I hope that you're able to reach your goals. I think that you should be
able to do it. However, I'm an American (and native English speaker) who has studied both Korean and Japanese. Korean is a lot harder than Japanese. My friends say that it's worse than Chinese too. That's just something to keep in mind. If you're going for the easiest East/South Asian language, you probably picked the wrong one. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5526 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 6 of 52 08 September 2010 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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I never used LSK season 1, so I can't really comment on it, but I do like LSK season 2 and 3. (NOTE: As far as I can tell season 2 seems to ignore season 1 completely and starts from scratch. LSK season 3, however, is a continuation of the season 2 lessons, resulting in 260 total lessons for the "second LSK series".) Personally, if I were to start again, I'd probably skip Pimsleur completely as LSK season 2 covered pretty much everything in Pimsleur plus a ton more (including things like actually learning how to spell all those words you are taught). That said, the fact that you are doing Pimsleur in parallel with LSK instead of sequentially (the way I did it) sounds like it should work quite well.
Korean is generally considered easier than Japanese and Chinese in some ways (mostly reading and writing, due to the relatively rare use of Chinese characters in modern Korean) and more difficult in others (phonetics, grammar, honorifics, etc.). Even the "difficult" parts aren't really *that* difficult, though, just different. Good luck with your studies! 파이팅! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Nudimmud Groupie United States Joined 5183 days ago 87 posts - 161 votes Studies: Greek, Korean | Message 7 of 52 09 September 2010 at 8:34am | IP Logged | ||
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Nothing too exciting, below is today's progress.
KOREAN - 1.5 hours Pimsleur: #5, #6 Let's Speak Korean (old) - review : (21, 22, 30, 31) Vocab: 2 (+1) Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's stone: p1s1, p1s4* * p1s1 = Paragraph 1 sentence 1 One of the difficulties with Korean is that 'normal' consonants are unasperated while there is a second set that are aspirated. English tends to put a lot of breath into its consonants, but not always. For example, hold your hand over your mouth when you pronounce the word pot (big push of air) and then pronounce spot (barely any puff). Eureka! One baby step toward mastering the Korean consonants. GREEK (MAINTENANCE) - 1 hour - Lucky Luke (ep 18b) , Greek Dub, though the introductory song is song in a drawling French to a country Western tune! - FSI - review (4, 5, 6, 7, 1-5 review) Edited by Nudimmud on 09 September 2010 at 9:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5640 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 8 of 52 09 September 2010 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | ||
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Where are you learning pronunciation from? I learned it from textbooks that just gave English equivalents, and that hurt my pronunciation more than it helped. No consonant in English corresponds with a consonant in Korean. (Tongue is in a different position each time and you already know consonants are differentiated in another way.)
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