mayfair Diglot Senior Member Australia theasiaanalyst.wordp Joined 5420 days ago 48 posts - 74 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Mandarin
| Message 9 of 20 14 March 2011 at 6:18am | IP Logged |
Perhaps 2100-2200 Japanese kanji passively - it's the strongest part of my Japanese thanks to Heisig and personal obsession - a few hundred less if I'm writing without a dictionary.
I suppose I could add to that some traditional hanzi and Korean hanja that are different from their Japanese equivalents, but that wouldn't increase the number significantly.
What I care more about, though, are the number of words I know that use those kanji. In Japanese, many kanji have numerous and irregular readings, so it's difficult to know at which point one can say that they properly 'know' a certain kanji. I certainly wouldn't say that someone "knows" 2000 characters upon finishing Remembering the Kanji/Hanzi, since those books do not teach readings. I don't think that memorising readings out of context counts as knowledge of characters either.
Edited by mayfair on 14 March 2011 at 6:29am
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Kappa Groupie Japan Joined 5521 days ago 99 posts - 172 votes
| Message 10 of 20 14 March 2011 at 3:27pm | IP Logged |
Active (Those I can write, read and understand) : around 2000
Passive (Those I can read and understand but not write) : approx. 3000-3500
I'm a native Japanese speaker, so I'm guessing it doesn't count. I didn't vote. :)
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Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5536 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese
| Message 12 of 20 14 March 2011 at 7:19pm | IP Logged |
According to Anki: 170 total 漢字 characters
But...I'm learning Korean, not Chinese or Japanese, so I have the luxury of taking my time. My eventual goal is to know at least the 1800 characters that are taught in Korean middle and high schools (until I decide to take on Chinese or Japanese which will quickly change that goal).
On second thought...that 170 is still a bit too low, though, since I just thought of 3 more characters (漢, 字, and 英) which I do readily recognize, but that never actually made it into the SRS. Regardless, I'm sure that I'm still well under 200 currently. Despite that, though, the ones I do know now have made up the vast majority of what I've seen in Korean media (mostly TV) thus far.
EDIT: Since it came up above, nearly all of this is passive. I do learn stroke order for each character, but only a handful can I recall actively (so far).
Edited by Warp3 on 14 March 2011 at 7:23pm
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maydayayday Pentaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5220 days ago 564 posts - 839 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, SpanishB2, FrenchB2 Studies: Arabic (Egyptian), Russian, Swedish, Turkish, Polish, Persian, Vietnamese Studies: Urdu
| Message 13 of 20 14 March 2011 at 7:23pm | IP Logged |
egill wrote:
Normally I'd let it slide, but seeing how this is a language forum: doth is
third person singular, dost is the one that goes with thou. Also, just
like in modern English, we don't conjugate the second verb after do.
I do
Thou dost
She doth
I know
Thou knowest
She knoweth
but:
I do know
Thou dost know
She doth know
Oh and to answer your question: around 3500, very rough estimate. :) |
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Erm about 4.5 k
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Segata Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 5172 days ago 64 posts - 125 votes Speaks: German*, Japanese, English Studies: Korean, Esperanto
| Message 14 of 20 14 March 2011 at 9:20pm | IP Logged |
I have no idea. Do traditional characters count towards the total? How about variants of the same character (島嶋嶌)? There's also a handful of characters that I can read and write even though I won't be able to tell you what they mean (such as characters that show up in names).
Edited by Segata on 14 March 2011 at 9:22pm
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clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5179 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi
| Message 15 of 20 15 March 2011 at 1:10pm | IP Logged |
egill wrote:
Normally I'd let it slide, but seeing how this is a language forum: doth is
third person singular, dost is the one that goes with thou. Also, just
like in modern English, we don't conjugate the second verb after do.
I do
Thou dost
She doth
I know
Thou knowest
She knoweth
but:
I do know
Thou dost know
She doth know
Oh and to answer your question: around 3500, very rough estimate. :) |
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yes, I am sorry.
My Shakespearean is very poor, ha ha.
ANyway I see some people know above 6000 characters!
That's interesting, My aim is around 6000 in Japanese plus 6000 of Chinese taught in school and some Cantonese etc. They are mostly the same though. (it's not like learning 12 000 ! Most of them repeated.
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M. Medialis Diglot TAC 2010 Winner Senior Member Sweden Joined 6358 days ago 397 posts - 508 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Russian, Japanese, French
| Message 16 of 20 15 March 2011 at 3:38pm | IP Logged |
I know and can write 2042 kanji. No more. no less. ;)
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