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| The Real CZ Senior Member United States Joined 5638 days ago 1069 posts - 1495 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean | Message 1097 of 1511 28 January 2014 at 5:39pm | IP Logged |
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I'd say wait until you're intermediate to start learning hanja. Personally, I don't
specifically study hanja since I'm also studying Japanese and Mandarin at the same time, so I tend to already know the characters, and I find that it makes remembering the words that much easier. They are used in news articles to avoid ambiguity, but yeah, if you're just beginning with the language, you already have enough on your plate. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4857 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 1098 of 1511 29 January 2014 at 12:16am | IP Logged |
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In my experience, you can pick up a lot of knowledge about syllables with Chinese origin simply by reading - at least above B1 level. I'm still not sure whether I will ever study Hanja in an organised fashion. I can just think of so many better/more fun things to spend time on with Korean. I'd say it hasn't hindered my progress noticeably yet.
Having said that, it is very helpful to stay aware of syllables and think about whether you might be able to infer something about an unknown word from them. Sometimes Hanja knowledge would also be nice for differentiating finer shades of meaning, but I'm not yet at the stage where all that is left to do is to fine-tune my Korean knowledge to such a high degree. That would be more of a C1/C2 thing... 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5524 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 1099 of 1511 29 January 2014 at 1:03am | IP Logged |
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I agree with the suggestions of the others here to avoid rushing into Hanja. I absolutely
advise learning it at some point (whether directly as Hanja or via another language that uses Chinese characters), but not until you have a decent grounding in Korean first since you can easily live without Hanja knowledge in modern Korean, so there are much more important things to focus on first. The main reason I included them in my reply was to differentiate which exact roots I was referencing in my explanation (i.e. which 반, which 도, etc.). Like Evita noted, though, you will eventually get a feel for this even without Hanja. The example she used was 학(學) which quickly starts to become obvious as a "learn" root when you see it in so many words relating to school and learning (학교 = school, 과학 = science, etc.) but you don't really need to know the actual character to notice that link. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Tarko Senior Member Korea, South Joined 4680 days ago 119 posts - 148 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, French | Message 1100 of 1511 29 January 2014 at 1:47am | IP Logged |
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Yeah, based on my experience, you don't really need to learn Hanja any more than you need to learn Latin for English. I agree with Evita- I've found that with enough exposure to Korean you can figure out the meaning of different roots without needing to explicitly learn the Hanja. (e.g. 식 relates to food, 실 relates to rooms, 장 relates to a place.)
If you decide to learn Hanja I'd suggest that you learn them only passively, not actively. Few of my adult Korean friends can actively produce any Hanja other than, "1, 2, 3" and the like. Now, if you were planning on writing a university thesis or go into Korean law, it would be a different story. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7145 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 1101 of 1511 30 January 2014 at 4:40am | IP Logged |
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In addition to the links from LangMedia that I posted today on teams' threads, you may find the cultural videos about Romania and Moldova with their transcripts to add to the variety of stuff to test your comprehension abilities further (not that you need that much more material ;-)).
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4696 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 1102 of 1511 30 January 2014 at 10:52am | IP Logged |
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Vă mulțumesc, am nevoie de materiala și exerciție cu limba vorbită. Deși va fi util.
În schimb, azi dimineața am avut o lecție de ebraică, care a fost bine - am vorbit mai coerent și rapid decât normal. Ieri n-am studiat nimic, însă am ascultat niste podcast- uri TTMIK la drum la Deventer. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4696 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 1103 of 1511 31 January 2014 at 12:44am | IP Logged |
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Important Announcement to my Log Followers:
I have decided, that I should, in February, really do something about my German, which is rapidly atrophying and becoming more atrocious as we speak. I retain my comprehension (which is good) but what I need is to really fix the insane amount of grammar errors (with cases) and vocabulary mixups caused by Dutch, so that it does not sound like a Dutchman slaughtering his own language and trying to pass it off as German, but as a German speaking. So I will, in the future, take some iTalki classes in German to correct this. Tomorrow, expect a report on January's TAC results. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4696 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 1104 of 1511 31 January 2014 at 2:19pm | IP Logged |
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TAC Report January 2014
A strange month, with reduced activity (huh? I thought the New Year was when you made plans), but job hunting and teaching has left me a bit low on energy and I haven't been able to get that much done, but the first weeks of February promise a lot of work on my languages. Unfortunately, my main language Korean was the one that suffered, so I'll have to rectify that in February, but my current goal is also to improve my Hebrew, and that, my friends is working. :D German, Swedish, Russian, Breton, Latin, Icelandic, anything else I didn't study any of these languages this month. I have used Russian a LOT though in social circumstances, and done some informal work on repairing my stress issues in Russian. Most notably, however, I still notice that my Russian is improving. This language feels good in my hands. French I've read a novel and some articles and done an hour of class and some writing, but not nearly up to my usual standards. (One class was also postponed, though, so it's not entirely my fault, but...). I am getting complacent with my French. The only upside is that I use French-based Assimil for Hebrew. Romanian This language has undergone marked improvement over the past two months. Very satisfied here. Hebrew The last month has done wonders for my Hebrew - I feel more at ease speaking it, though I still have huge vocabulary holes, but it's getting somewhat better. Korean A bit of writing and reading, but since my teacher is away at the moment no speaking. I really need to ramp it up with my Korean. Hopefully the 6WC will provide the incentive I need. February plans I'm continuing to improve my French and Romanian. I want to finish the Hebrew Assimil passive wave (almost there) and get a fair chunk of the active wave done (shouldn't be problematic), and then we'll see what happens. I've also decided to put some time and effort into my German, so that I don't end up with a dead plant instead of a withering one. And furthermore, Korean, Korean, Korean... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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