Register  Login  Active Topics  Maps  

Is there an easy Korean keyboard layout?

 Language Learning Forum : Specific Languages Post Reply
21 messages over 3 pages: 13  Next >>
vientito
Senior Member
Canada
Joined 6339 days ago

212 posts - 281 votes 

 
 Message 9 of 21
07 February 2010 at 3:19pm | IP Logged 
my own record: 48 hours to learn Hangul and 1 week to type on the keyboard. The system is really easy. Give it a chance. By the way, no natives type Romanji. If you start doing that and build foundation on it, you risk developing a huge disconnect between the language you are studying and the majority of the people who actually use it. For an investment of purely 1 week for a language that typically takes a few years for a foreigner to master, it is indeed a small fraction.

I have no use for a cellphone myself but if I do I would learn how to input Hangul on one of the more popular models too. Why? Simply because once I deviate from that 99% of the population, I become a hermit and no one understands what I do and I won't understand what they do either. That royally defeats the point of being able to communicate and share. Is that the first and foremost point of learning a language?
1 person has voted this message useful



Captain Haddock
Diglot
Senior Member
Japan
kanjicabinet.tumblr.
Joined 6769 days ago

2282 posts - 2814 votes 
Speaks: English*, Japanese
Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek

 
 Message 10 of 21
07 February 2010 at 3:29pm | IP Logged 
furyou_gaijin wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
It's slightly off-topic for this thread, but I'd note that:

• Kana input on a cell phone or iPod is much, much easier and quicker than romaji input.


Mmm... is it really? Don't you have to press one button five times to get to こ instead of two buttons once? I don't
think it makes much sense for someone who has never used a Japanese cellphone to learn kana input from scratch
on an iPhone.


Well, on a cell phone, hitting one button five times quickly is hardly any more difficult than hitting it once. However,
hunting for a 'k' and then an 'o' is a pain.

On the iPhone, it's even easier. Press the "か" button and slide down for こ. (left is き, up is く, right is け.) That way,
each kana is one button tap-slide. Once I started using that, I never tried qwerty again.

Edited by Captain Haddock on 07 February 2010 at 3:30pm

1 person has voted this message useful



IronFist
Senior Member
United States
Joined 6438 days ago

663 posts - 941 votes 
Speaks: English*
Studies: Japanese, Korean

 
 Message 11 of 21
07 February 2010 at 7:55pm | IP Logged 
I'll have to read that QWERTY article. I never bothered learning Dvorak because I'm already quite fast on a QWERTY keyboard, around 100WPM with a few errors (I spend a lot of time typing and have done so ever since I started using computers 14 or 15 years ago).

@vienito - When you say "no natives type in romaji" does that mean that in Japan, all the keyboards using the hiragana keyboard input? The only reason I would care how natives do it would be, if in their country, that was how you had to do it. I don't care too much about "deviating from the population" as long as I end up at the same result. I don't type on a QWERTY keyboard exactly the same as everyone else (for example, I hit "B" with my right hand", which means I can't use one of those curved ergonomic keyboards because they put the B on the left side, where it's supposed to go. But I'm still faster than most people even with my QWERTY modifications so I don't care that I do it differently :D

@Captain Haddock - what program do I need to be able to type in kana on an iPhone?
1 person has voted this message useful



Warp3
Senior Member
United States
forum_posts.asp?TID=
Joined 5536 days ago

1419 posts - 1766 votes 
Speaks: English*
Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese

 
 Message 12 of 21
07 February 2010 at 10:05pm | IP Logged 
IronFist wrote:
I don't type on a QWERTY keyboard exactly the same as everyone else (for example, I hit "B" with my right hand", which means I can't use one of those curved ergonomic keyboards because they put the B on the left side, where it's supposed to go.


It's interesting you mention that since "B" is the only key that actually maps to the "wrong side" of the keyboard in the Korean IME layout. That key is mapped to a vowel (right hand) not a consonant (left hand) which still occasionally throws me off. Fortunately, it looks like you wouldn't have that issue.
1 person has voted this message useful



Captain Haddock
Diglot
Senior Member
Japan
kanjicabinet.tumblr.
Joined 6769 days ago

2282 posts - 2814 votes 
Speaks: English*, Japanese
Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek

 
 Message 13 of 21
08 February 2010 at 7:54am | IP Logged 
Quote:
@Captain Haddock - what program do I need to be able to type in kana on an iPhone?


You don't need anything separate, it's one of the "keyboards" you can enable in the iPhone / iPod settings.
1 person has voted this message useful



furyou_gaijin
Senior Member
Japan
Joined 6387 days ago

540 posts - 631 votes 
Speaks: Latin*

 
 Message 14 of 21
08 February 2010 at 1:05pm | IP Logged 
Captain Haddock wrote:
furyou_gaijin wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
It's slightly off-topic for this
thread, but I'd note that:

• Kana input on a cell phone or iPod is much, much easier and quicker than romaji input.


Mmm... is it really? Don't you have to press one button five times to get to こ instead of two buttons once? I
don't
think it makes much sense for someone who has never used a Japanese cellphone to learn kana input from
scratch
on an iPhone.


Well, on a cell phone, hitting one button five times quickly is hardly any more difficult than hitting it once.
However,
hunting for a 'k' and then an 'o' is a pain.

On the iPhone, it's even easier. Press the "か" button and slide down for こ. (left is き, up is く, right is け.) That
way,
each kana is one button tap-slide. Once I started using that, I never tried qwerty again.


I think this is a matter of personal preference. I have seen people type text messages on European mobile
phones at the speed of lightning... Another friend of mine hates these buttons but it using all his ten fingers on
a Blackberry keyboard (it helps that he is also a pianist).

I am very happy with my qwerty input for Japanese but I can imagine that someone is more comfortable with
kana.
1 person has voted this message useful



qklilx
Moderator
United States
Joined 6187 days ago

459 posts - 477 votes 
Speaks: English*
Studies: Korean
Personal Language Map

 
 Message 15 of 21
10 February 2010 at 7:55am | IP Logged 
You're too lazy to spend a few days getting used to the Korean layout but you're willing to spend time finding someone to teach you how to input the code you wrote/will write and then learn your custom layout? I don't understand the logic here, sorry to say.
2 persons have voted this message useful



IronFist
Senior Member
United States
Joined 6438 days ago

663 posts - 941 votes 
Speaks: English*
Studies: Japanese, Korean

 
 Message 16 of 21
10 February 2010 at 8:08pm | IP Logged 
qklilx wrote:
You're too lazy to spend a few days getting used to the Korean layout but you're willing to spend time finding someone to teach you how to input the code you wrote/will write and then learn your custom layout? I don't understand the logic here, sorry to say.


No, but I'm willing to give someone the logic and let them program it :)

In the meantime, I found these sites that let you cheat:

Build each hangul separately:
http://www.wandel.person.dk/korean.html

Choose from premade hangul:
http://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/korean.htm

And that second one allows you to type in korean romaji and have it appear as hangul!!! Shift + Consonant = the hard version.

It's actually very close to the logic I came up with. I like that site a lot.


1 person has voted this message useful



This discussion contains 21 messages over 3 pages: << Prev 13  Next >>


Post ReplyPost New Topic Printable version Printable version

You cannot post new topics in this forum - You cannot reply to topics in this forum - You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum - You cannot create polls in this forum - You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page was generated in 0.4219 seconds.


DHTML Menu By Milonic JavaScript
Copyright 2024 FX Micheloud - All rights reserved
No part of this website may be copied by any means without my written authorization.