vientito Senior Member Canada Joined 6339 days ago 212 posts - 281 votes
| Message 9 of 21 07 February 2010 at 3:19pm | IP Logged |
my own record: 48 hours to learn Hangul and 1 week to type on the keyboard. The system is really easy. Give it a chance. By the way, no natives type Romanji. If you start doing that and build foundation on it, you risk developing a huge disconnect between the language you are studying and the majority of the people who actually use it. For an investment of purely 1 week for a language that typically takes a few years for a foreigner to master, it is indeed a small fraction.
I have no use for a cellphone myself but if I do I would learn how to input Hangul on one of the more popular models too. Why? Simply because once I deviate from that 99% of the population, I become a hermit and no one understands what I do and I won't understand what they do either. That royally defeats the point of being able to communicate and share. Is that the first and foremost point of learning a language?
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Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6769 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek
| Message 10 of 21 07 February 2010 at 3:29pm | IP Logged |
furyou_gaijin wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
It's slightly off-topic for this thread, but I'd note that:
• Kana input on a cell phone or iPod is much, much easier and quicker than romaji input.
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Mmm... is it really? Don't you have to press one button five times to get to こ instead of two buttons once? I don't
think it makes much sense for someone who has never used a Japanese cellphone to learn kana input from scratch
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Well, on a cell phone, hitting one button five times quickly is hardly any more difficult than hitting it once. However,
hunting for a 'k' and then an 'o' is a pain.
On the iPhone, it's even easier. Press the "か" button and slide down for こ. (left is き, up is く, right is け.) That way,
each kana is one button tap-slide. Once I started using that, I never tried qwerty again.
Edited by Captain Haddock on 07 February 2010 at 3:30pm
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IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6438 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean
| Message 11 of 21 07 February 2010 at 7:55pm | IP Logged |
I'll have to read that QWERTY article. I never bothered learning Dvorak because I'm already quite fast on a QWERTY keyboard, around 100WPM with a few errors (I spend a lot of time typing and have done so ever since I started using computers 14 or 15 years ago).
@vienito - When you say "no natives type in romaji" does that mean that in Japan, all the keyboards using the hiragana keyboard input? The only reason I would care how natives do it would be, if in their country, that was how you had to do it. I don't care too much about "deviating from the population" as long as I end up at the same result. I don't type on a QWERTY keyboard exactly the same as everyone else (for example, I hit "B" with my right hand", which means I can't use one of those curved ergonomic keyboards because they put the B on the left side, where it's supposed to go. But I'm still faster than most people even with my QWERTY modifications so I don't care that I do it differently :D
@Captain Haddock - what program do I need to be able to type in kana on an iPhone?
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Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5536 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese
| Message 12 of 21 07 February 2010 at 10:05pm | IP Logged |
IronFist wrote:
I don't type on a QWERTY keyboard exactly the same as everyone else (for example, I hit "B" with my right hand", which means I can't use one of those curved ergonomic keyboards because they put the B on the left side, where it's supposed to go. |
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It's interesting you mention that since "B" is the only key that actually maps to the "wrong side" of the keyboard in the Korean IME layout. That key is mapped to a vowel (right hand) not a consonant (left hand) which still occasionally throws me off. Fortunately, it looks like you wouldn't have that issue.
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Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6769 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek
| Message 13 of 21 08 February 2010 at 7:54am | IP Logged |
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@Captain Haddock - what program do I need to be able to type in kana on an iPhone? |
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You don't need anything separate, it's one of the "keyboards" you can enable in the iPhone / iPod settings.
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furyou_gaijin Senior Member Japan Joined 6387 days ago 540 posts - 631 votes Speaks: Latin*
| Message 14 of 21 08 February 2010 at 1:05pm | IP Logged |
Captain Haddock wrote:
furyou_gaijin wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
It's slightly off-topic for this
thread, but I'd note that:
• Kana input on a cell phone or iPod is much, much easier and quicker than romaji input.
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Mmm... is it really? Don't you have to press one button five times to get to こ instead of two buttons once? I
don't
think it makes much sense for someone who has never used a Japanese cellphone to learn kana input from
scratch
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Well, on a cell phone, hitting one button five times quickly is hardly any more difficult than hitting it once.
However,
hunting for a 'k' and then an 'o' is a pain.
On the iPhone, it's even easier. Press the "か" button and slide down for こ. (left is き, up is く, right is け.) That
way,
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I think this is a matter of personal preference. I have seen people type text messages on European mobile
phones at the speed of lightning... Another friend of mine hates these buttons but it using all his ten fingers on
a Blackberry keyboard (it helps that he is also a pianist).
I am very happy with my qwerty input for Japanese but I can imagine that someone is more comfortable with
kana.
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qklilx Moderator United States Joined 6187 days ago 459 posts - 477 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Korean Personal Language Map
| Message 15 of 21 10 February 2010 at 7:55am | IP Logged |
You're too lazy to spend a few days getting used to the Korean layout but you're willing to spend time finding someone to teach you how to input the code you wrote/will write and then learn your custom layout? I don't understand the logic here, sorry to say.
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IronFist Senior Member United States Joined 6438 days ago 663 posts - 941 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean
| Message 16 of 21 10 February 2010 at 8:08pm | IP Logged |
qklilx wrote:
You're too lazy to spend a few days getting used to the Korean layout but you're willing to spend time finding someone to teach you how to input the code you wrote/will write and then learn your custom layout? I don't understand the logic here, sorry to say. |
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No, but I'm willing to give someone the logic and let them program it :)
In the meantime, I found these sites that let you cheat:
Build each hangul separately:
http://www.wandel.person.dk/korean.html
Choose from premade hangul:
http://www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/korean.htm
And that second one allows you to type in korean romaji and have it appear as hangul!!! Shift + Consonant = the hard version.
It's actually very close to the logic I came up with. I like that site a lot.
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