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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 17 of 64 24 December 2007 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | ||
And it has quite a lot of Germanic (Swedish) loanwords and some Slavic ones as well. Although (except for the new ones) it's usually hard to recognize them :) Edited by Serpent on 24 December 2007 at 5:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| PolyglotNZ Pentaglot Groupie New ZealandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6205 days ago 71 posts - 91 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, German, Mandarin, Japanese Studies: Polish, Swedish, Hungarian, Russian | Message 18 of 64 24 December 2007 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't think there is a language that sounds romantic when people are angry, but I might be wrong.
Have a look at http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/finnish-intro.html I personally prefer Hungarian, but I am biased since I have had bad experiences with Finnish people. However, I do believe that both languages are amazing and very rich morphologically and syntactically. By the way, check the free Finnish course "Tavataan taas!" If you need to find some material, send me a PM and I can give you the names of some of the books I have used for Finnish. Good luck with your studies!!! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 19 of 64 25 December 2007 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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"Finnish also has fixed first syllable stress. And it has quite a lot of Germanic (Swedish) loanwords and some Slavic ones as well. Although (except for the new ones) it's usually hard to recognize them :)" I wouldn't say that listening to this amazing Finnish polka. I couldn't catch not a single Germanic (Swedish) or Slavic loanword in this song. If the Finns do disguise them (the loanwords) they are really good at it. :) Could you give some examples of Slavic loanwords in Finnish? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJF6YPX4mIM&feature=related 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 20 of 64 25 December 2007 at 1:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Useful info about Slavic loanwords (and other loanwords) in Hungarian and generally about this interesting peculiar language, its history, evolution etc.
"The vocabulary of the settled Hungarians was influenced mostly by the Slavic, the German and the Latin language. Later on Italian and French influence can be perceived. Expressions linked to agriculture and animal husbandry were borrowed mainly from Slavic languages: grain, rye, straw, harrow, scythe, bean, peach, carrot, sheep, ewe, rooster, pigeon, yoke, oxbow, hay and shepherd. Nouns in Hungarian that are attached to trades like cooper, smith, weaver, miller and dammer are of Slavic origin. Words referring to the house were adopted from the local Slavic: kitchen, cellar, window, key, bench, table and lunch. There are many Slav loan-words in the word-stock of the church and of the state: cross, Christian, friar, nun, saint, miracle, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Christmas, emperor, king, to order and work." http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01993/html/index2.html 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 21 of 64 25 December 2007 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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For all Finnish aficionados I attach the lyrics of the famous Finnish polka "Loituma". As for me, I really admire the unique sounding of that peculiar language, its numerous dyphthongs and the way the Finns pronounce the sound "r" :)
Nuapurista kuulu se polokan tahti jalakani pohjii kutkutti. Ievan äiti se tyttöösä vahti vaan kyllähän Ieva sen jutkutti, sillä ei meitä silloin kiellot haittaa kun myö tanssimme laiasta laitaan. Salivili hipput tupput täppyt äppyt tipput hilijalleen. Ievan suu oli vehnäsellä ko immeiset onnee toevotti. Peä oli märkänä jokaisella ja viulu se vinku ja voevotti. Ei tätä poikoo märkyys haittaa sillon ko laskoo laiasta laitaan. Salivili hipput. Ievan äiti se kammarissa virsiä veisata huijjuutti, kun tämä poika naapurissa ämmän tyttöä nuijjuutti. Eikä tätä poikoo ämmät haittaa sillon ko laskoo laiasta laitaan. Salivili. Siellä oli lystiä soiton jäläkeen sain minä kerran sytkyyttee. Kottiin ko mäntii ni ämmä se riitelj ja Ieva jo alako nyyhkyytteek. Minä sanon Ievalle mitäpä se haittaa laskemma vielähi laiasta laitaa. Salivili. Muorille sanon jotta tukkee suusi en ruppee sun terveyttäs takkoomaa. Terveenä peäset ku korjoot luusi ja määt siitä murjuus makkoomaa. Ei tätä poikoo hellyys haittaa ko akkoja huhkii laiasta laitaan. Salivili. Sen minä sanon jotta purra pittää ei mua niin voan nielasta. Suat männä ite vaikka lännestä ittään vaan minä en luovu Ievasta, sillä ei tätä poikoo kainous haittaa sillon ko tanssii laiasta laitaan. Salivili. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| PolyglotNZ Pentaglot Groupie New ZealandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6205 days ago 71 posts - 91 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, German, Mandarin, Japanese Studies: Polish, Swedish, Hungarian, Russian | Message 22 of 64 25 December 2007 at 3:10pm | IP Logged | ||
If you want some examples, you may want to read Jan Ivar Bjørnflaten's paper on "Chronologies of the Slavicization of Northern Russian Mirrored by Slavic Loanwords in Finnic and Baltic." Finnish and Hungarian hide their loanwords very well. The pronunciation changes and the spelling is also different. However, it is also possible to figure them out. Here are some examples: Finnish: "ankka" from Swedish 'anka (duck) "kirkko" from Swedish 'kyrka' (church) There are many more like: "appelsiini, cd-soitin, apteeki, auto, avokaado, banaani, bensiini, konsertti, raportti, tomaatti, vini, votka." Hungarian: "dzsungel" from 'jungle' "bridzs" from 'bridge' "menedzer" from 'manager' "gengszter" from 'gansgter' "szendvics" from 'sandwich' Wednesday "szerda", Thursday "csötörtök" and Friday "péntek" are Slavic loan words. They are "środa", "czwartek" and "piątek" in Polish and "среда", "четверг" and "пятница" in Russian. I can see the similarities, but I doubt someone will immediately recognise them as Slavic loanwords. Edited by PolyglotNZ on 25 December 2007 at 3:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
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Awesome song!! I think I will imitate it soon. By the way, if I perform it I think I will bring it down one octave so I may be taken more seriously. the youtube comments were multilingual.
Eenglish version of above lyrics. I like how it has the same syllables, but the English is so consonant-laden that Finnish must be faster to write notes in. By the way, how tragic that that happened to Hungarian! But Hungary is a landlocked country, and that made a good 4500years recipe. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 24 of 64 25 December 2007 at 3:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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2 PolyglotNZ
Thank you for your examples of Swedish loanwords in Finnish. From what you wrote I don't think they are too difficult to identify. How about Slavic loanwords in Finnish? Do you know any? As for Slavic loanwords in Hungarian, they are not hard to identify either. Moreover, some of them are just copies of their Slavic originals, e.g. szerda (pronounced "serda") is almost a copy of Ukrainian "sereda" (Wednesday). "Pentek" sounds almost identically as Polish "piątek" (Friday) etc. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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