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| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 25 of 64 25 December 2007 at 3:37pm | IP Logged |
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"But Hungary is a landlocked country, and that made a good 4500years recipe." In the Middle Ages Hungary was a vast country and it did have access to the Adriatic Sea-nowadays Croatia was then part of Hungary. As well as Slovakia, Slovenia, part of Romania (Transilvania),part of Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina etc. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| PolyglotNZ Pentaglot Groupie New ZealandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6205 days ago 71 posts - 91 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, German, Mandarin, Japanese Studies: Polish, Swedish, Hungarian, Russian | Message 26 of 64 25 December 2007 at 3:50pm | IP Logged |
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To bellumgero:
You can google the article I mentioned before. It has a few examples of Slavic loanwords in Finnish. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 27 of 64 25 December 2007 at 4:19pm | IP Logged |
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Thank you for the link. Yeah, Serpent was right about hidden Slavic loanwords. The Finns did a good job hidding them! ;) It's almost impossible to notice similiarity of some words. I chose some examples from the link you provided. I was especially impressed by the unimaginable transformation of the Russian word "vorobey" (sparrow) in Finnish-"varpunen". (!) :) taltta-doloto, palttina-polotno talkkuna-tolokno kalkkala-kolokolka karsta-korosta varpunen-vorobej suvalkko-svolok kalsu-kološa värttinä-vereteno 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| bela_lugosi Hexaglot Senior Member Finland Joined 6455 days ago 272 posts - 376 votes Speaks: English, Finnish*, Italian, Spanish, German, Swedish Studies: Russian, Estonian, Sámi, Latin | Message 28 of 64 25 December 2007 at 4:31pm | IP Logged |
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Some examples of the Russian loanwords in modern Finnish:
FIN - RUS (Latinized) - (English translation of the Russian words) voro - vor (robber) mesta - mesto (place) pumaska - bumazhnik (wallet) bonjata - ponimat' (to understand) snaijata - znat' (to know) lusikka - lozhka (spoon) tyrmä - tjur'ma (prison) viesti - vest' (message) kanava - kanava (channel) ikkuna - okno (window) kapakka - kabak (tavern) kasku - skaztka (tale) kiipeli - gibel' (destruction, trouble) kutrit - kudri (curls) laatia - ladit' (organize ecc.) leipä - hleb (bread) pappi - pop (priest) pohatta - bogach (rich) porkkana - borkan (carrot) porukka - poruka (guarantee) riesa - graza (nosy person) risti - krest (cross) rusakko - rusak (hare) saapas - sapog (boot) safka - zavtrak (breakfast) savotta - zavod (factory) siisti - chistiy (clean) simpukka - zhemchug (pearl) sontikka - zontik (umbrella) tolkku - tolk (thought, reason) toveri - tovarishch (comrade) vapaus - svoboda (liberty, freedom) As those of you who know some Finnish may have noticed, the meanings of some words have changed, but the root of each loan word is evident. :) Edited by bela_lugosi on 25 December 2007 at 4:33pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 29 of 64 25 December 2007 at 4:53pm | IP Logged |
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Thank you for your examples. They are really impressive! I didn't suspect there were so many of them! But, as I wrote ealier, the Finns were really good at hiding these loanwords to make them almost inconspicuous. :) As for the pair "porkkana - borkan (carrot)" , this word is not present in modern Russian since "carrot" is "morkov" (pronounced "markof'") in Russian. The word "borkan" must be some north-Russian dialect word. The same refers to the pair "riesa - graza (nosy person)". Never heard this word ("graza") in Russian. And,finally,one correction: "kasku - skaztka (tale)". In Russian it should be "skazka"(pronounced "skaska") 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 30 of 64 25 December 2007 at 4:59pm | IP Logged |
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These loanwords are also totally inconspicuous. I would NEVER say they have anything in common with Russian!
simpukka - zhemchug (pearl) vapaus - svoboda (liberty, freedom) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Lapislazuli Tetraglot Senior Member Austria Joined 7037 days ago 146 posts - 170 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, ItalianB1 Studies: French, Hungarian, Esperanto, Czech | Message 31 of 64 25 December 2007 at 6:04pm | IP Logged |
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Interesting topic. I have learned Hungarian for two years now, and now I am considering to also learn Finnish. Though I must say I always chose languages that I want to learn more for cultural and not for linguistic reasons.
I decided to learn Hungarian, because I live in Austria and it takes me just one hour to go to Hungary, so I often have the possibility to prectice. And another reason for me was that there are very interesting productions of musicals in Budapest, that are in Hungarian language, those I am rather interested in - and I also have some friends in Hungary. I am glad to have all those reason for really wanting to study Hungarian, because otherwise I would have probably already have given up, as especially with such a difficult language those moments where one thinks one will never ever learn it, are quite often. My reasons for wanting to take Finnish are mainly that I have very good friends in Finland and that I already know Swedish, which made me have encounters with Finnish culture every now and then, so I got interested. My suggestion is - especially with such small and difficult languages - that you need something about the language that you are a bit obsessed with, and that can motivate you to understand more of it. At least this is the only thing that can get me to forget my laziness and study. Maybe it is different with you, but becoming a hero because of having mastered a difficult language would be enough to make me overcome my laziness ;-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| bellumgero Tetraglot Newbie Canada Joined 6182 days ago 32 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Russian, Ukrainian*, English, Polish Studies: German, French, Spanish, Italian, Serbo-Croatian, Portuguese | Message 32 of 64 25 December 2007 at 6:21pm | IP Logged |
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"Speaks: German, English, Swedish, French, Italian, Spanish" "...becoming a hero because of having mastered a difficult language would be enough to make me overcome my laziness ;-)" I wish I were as "lazy" as you. ;) As regards your motivation for studying Hungarian, you didn't mention one more thing-less than hundred years ago you used to live in the same country with the Hungarians-in the Austrian-Hungarian empire whose emperors knew both German and Hungarian. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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