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| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5153 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes  | Message 41 of 60 30 November 2010 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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As for grammar alone, it's not that it's impossible to learn, but it does present very different problems, structures and points of view from the ones we are used to seeing in the European languages.[/QUOTE]
In the past I heard that the East Asians would be never able to use any other alphabets as their languages don’t fit the structure but I would like to confirm this from one who knows the language well. On the other hand in this web site it is written that as one continues to study Korean he will face with a lot of grammatical complexity (more than 600 possible verb endings and 500 adjective endings) though at first the grammar looks very easy. It doesn’t say anything for Chinese of Japanese. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5382 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 42 of 60 30 November 2010 at 11:51pm | IP Logged | ||
Nonsense. First of all, East Asian languages are diverse. Vietnamese is written with an alphabet. It's very different from Japanese, but you could use any written system for either. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Jave Diglot Newbie Chile niveldebonus.ne Joined 5109 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 43 of 60 30 November 2010 at 11:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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I'm currently self-teaching myself Japanese (been like that for about three months). The huge amount of characters they have (and that's not even including Kanji) may seem scary at first, but once you get the hang of it it's actually rather fun.
What does look very complex to me is the sentence structure, mostly the fact that there's no space between words. Makes it harder to recognize when a character is a particle or part of a longer word. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5153 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes | Message 44 of 60 01 December 2010 at 12:09am | IP Logged | ||
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Nonsense. First of all, East Asian languages are diverse. Vietnamese is written with an alphabet. It's very different from Japanese, but you could use any written system for either.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, what I meant by the term ‘East Asians’ was a racist one including only the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese and some of the Chinese (the pacific rim ones, not all of them) because they have similar minds (extremely high visuo-spatial IQ about 110 and much lower verbal IQ about 97). I used to spend very long time reading about racial differences in the past ( http://neoeugenics.home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/). These characters of writing are the best for the East Asian mind. The Vietnamese or the other Southeast Asians would never create a writing system like that even if they tried to. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| zerothinking Senior Member Australia Joined 6373 days ago 528 posts - 772 votes Speaks: English* | Message 45 of 60 01 December 2010 at 2:00am | IP Logged | ||
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Languages aren't difficult or easy. They do however have different levels of complexity.
In comparison to Spanish, for an English speaker, Japanese is more complex. This simply means it will take more hours of study to get up to a good level. Once you learn any language it becomes equally easy to speak. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6551 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 46 of 60 01 December 2010 at 2:39am | IP Logged | ||
Oh, well in that case I take it all back:) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Dragonsheep Groupie United States Joined 5271 days ago 46 posts - 63 votes Studies: Tagalog, English* Studies: Japanese, Latin | Message 47 of 60 01 December 2010 at 6:02am | IP Logged | ||
Sorry, what I meant by the term ‘East Asians’ was a racist one including only the Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese and some of the Chinese (the pacific rim ones, not all of them) because they have similar minds (extremely high visuo-spatial IQ about 110 and much lower verbal IQ about 97). I used to spend very long time reading about racial differences in the past (http://neoeugenics.home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/). These characters of writing are the best for the East Asian mind. The Vietnamese or the other Southeast Asians would never create a writing system like that even if they tried to. [/QUOTE] Just to throw this out there, Korean has a fairly simple alphabet. Although there are Kanji/Hanzish characters, you can get very very far without them. And in defense of Southeast Asians (self defense in my case), Vietnamese at one point used characters, and many of the islands (Thailand, etc.) did or still do use character alphabets, in may cases more complex than that of Korea. And, all of China uses complex characters; I don't see how you can differentiate the difficulty of the written Chinese language using geography. The Roman alphabet hasn't been in Asia that long. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| deniz2 Groupie TurkeyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5153 days ago 53 posts - 62 votes | Message 48 of 60 01 December 2010 at 10:02am | IP Logged | ||
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And in defense of Southeast Asians (self defense in my case), Vietnamese at one point used characters, and many of the islands (Thailand, etc.) did or still do use character alphabets, in may cases more complex than that of Korea. And, all of China uses complex characters; I don't see how you can differentiate the difficulty of the written Chinese language using geography.[/QUOTE]
‘Thai script is easier to learn than Chinese or Japanese because there aren't 2,000 to 3,000 ideographs that you have to learn’ is exactly what is written about the difficulty of the Thai ideograms in this web site. Sorry, maybe this argument has to be made in another web site but I can shortly say that the East Asians evolved in a colder climate with a much higher population which in the end helped genetic mutations (http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.ht m). The ideograms should be much easier for the East Asians (though they are surely difficult) than the others. As I read too much about this subject I can easily understand any forgery. The Jews don’t have 115 IQ but they have 91.3 visuospatial, 109.7 math and 107.8 verbal IQ (Beckman study, 1972). I am sure they will find the East Asian script more difficult than the others but German much easier with their perfect math minds. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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