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ChristopherB Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 6317 days ago 851 posts - 1074 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, German, French
| Message 9 of 66 08 March 2008 at 1:31am | IP Logged |
Mongolian seems to work just fine with cyrillic.
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| Taiga Diglot Groupie Australia Joined 6311 days ago 81 posts - 85 votes 5 sounds Speaks: English, Spanish Studies: Russian, Serbo-Croatian
| Message 10 of 66 08 March 2008 at 6:05am | IP Logged |
DerDrache wrote:
I have been attempting to learn some Polish lately. I'm still focusing mostly on Russian, but I wanted to pick up some survival Polish too at some point. If you don't know, Polish uses a modificed version of Latin script, as opposed to Cyrillic. I find that it's extremely difficult to become accustomed to written Polish, and that the Cyrillic alphabet suits Slavic languages better.
I'm not really complaining about Polish people...I'm sure their written system suits them fine. But, I'm curious if you think certain alphabet systems are more suited to distinct languages. Could English function just as well if it used Cyrillic? Could Russian function well in Latin script? So far...I'd say no. If you see an English word written in Cyrillic, you know what it's supposed to be, but there's still a pronunciation gap that the alphabet doesn't encompass.
Hypothetically, do you think Polish (and other Slavic languages that use Latin script) would be better off with Cyrillic writing? |
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Actually, I created a modified Cyrillic alphabet for English language xD when I was bored.
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| skeeterses Senior Member United States angelfire.com/games5Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6619 days ago 302 posts - 356 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Korean, Spanish
| Message 11 of 66 15 March 2008 at 7:25am | IP Logged |
Compared to other writing scripts, I would say that Cyrillic is quite easy. Japanese, for instance has 2 alphabets and several thousand Chinese characters that have multiple pronounciations. And with Arabic, its almost impossible to guess the correct sound for each word unless you already know the grammar, because it doesn't have vowels.
If English and some of the Slavic languages seem difficult for spelling, it's because of the inconsistent spelling rules and not the script.
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| bushwick Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6245 days ago 407 posts - 443 votes Speaks: German, Croatian*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese
| Message 12 of 66 15 March 2008 at 12:59pm | IP Logged |
MarcoDiAngelo wrote:
Serbian cyrillic script uses one letter per sound, which is not the case with Serbian latin alphabet. Thus is the more efficient.
Examples:
љ - lj
њ - nj
џ - dž
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technically, lj, nj and đž are one letter.
so your argument fails. it doesn't make cyrillic any more efficient.
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| Eduard Decaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6026 days ago 166 posts - 170 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, NorwegianC1, Swedish, Danish, English, German, ItalianB1, Spanish, Serbo-Croatian, French Studies: Portuguese
| Message 13 of 66 03 June 2008 at 11:51am | IP Logged |
/me agrees with Bushwick. These three sounds are still considered one letter, quite like the 'ij' (or perhaps ÿ) in Dutch during the last few years.
I have read that the Croats wanted to abolish the fact that lj, nj and dž are considered one letter each, but this would give some problems, as 'lj' and 'lj' (you read it right) can be pronounced differently.
Example: the word 'seljak' (peasant) contains lj as two different letters and is pronounced 'sel-jak' (due to historical linguistic reasons), whereas 'ljuba' contains 'lj' as one letter and is pronounced as a palatised 'l'. This difference is obvious in cyrillic as seljak would be spelled with seperate cyrillic letters for 'l' and 'j', though ljuba would be spelled using the љ-letter.
Personally I prefer reading Serbian using the Latin script (especially hand-written texts and when using italics), just because it's a lot more friendly to my untrained eye.
EDIT: In Croatia you will also find vertically written signs saying 'ljekarna' (pharmacy) written:
LJ
E
K
A
R
N
A
Edited by Eduard on 03 June 2008 at 11:56am
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| Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6035 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds
| Message 14 of 66 03 June 2008 at 12:59pm | IP Logged |
skeeterses wrote:
Compared to other writing scripts, I would say that Cyrillic is quite easy. Japanese, for instance has 2 alphabets and several thousand Chinese characters that have multiple pronounciations. And with Arabic, its almost impossible to guess the correct sound for each word unless you already know the grammar, because it doesn't have vowels. |
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No wonder it is easy, Cyrillic and Latin scripts are really close relatives. The Cyrillic alphabet first appears at the beginning of the 10th century (AC) and is based on Greek letters.
The original script was known as Glagolitsa and though it looks extremely beautiful (personal opinion) it is also very cumbersome and difficult to produce. Throughout the centuries the letters were brought closer to their Latin counterparts. Furthermore, the Latin alphabet also originates in Greek, though it is created much earlier ( 7th century BC or something ).
Julie wrote:
Cyrillic script is almost perfect for Russian because it was created for this language. |
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Is that a fact? :) I am afraid there is a lot of controversy going on about the origins of the Cyrillic alphabet. Take a look at this except from wikipedia:
wikipedia wrote:
Although it is widely accepted that the Glagolitic alphabet was invented by Saints Cyril and Methodius, the origins of the early Cyrillic alphabet are still a source of much controversy. It has been attributed to Saint Clement of Ohrid, disciple of Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius. Recent studies have suggested that the Cyrillic alphabet was more likely developed at the Preslav Literary School in northeastern Bulgaria.
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There are also other theories regarding the origins of the Cyrillic alphabet, namely that the alphabet was created by Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius themselves, or that it preceded the Glagolitic alphabet, representing a "transitional" stage between Greek and Glagolitic cursive, but these have been disproved. |
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By the way, may I mention that the top university in Bulgaria is named "St. Clement of Ohrid". Guess why... :)
Edited by Sennin on 03 June 2008 at 1:12pm
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| Russianbear Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6776 days ago 358 posts - 422 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, Ukrainian Studies: Spanish
| Message 15 of 66 03 June 2008 at 1:11pm | IP Logged |
bushwick wrote:
technically, lj, nj and đž are one letter.
so your argument fails. it doesn't make cyrillic any more efficient. |
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I guess it means the script is not really Latin, since there are no letters lj, nj and đž in Latin script.
I think Cyrillic is probably better than Latin simply because there are more symbols. But then again, scripts with even more symbols are superior to both.
Инглыш риттн ын Сериллык вуд рак зъэ моуст.
Edited by Russianbear on 03 June 2008 at 2:43pm
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| Eduard Decaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6026 days ago 166 posts - 170 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, NorwegianC1, Swedish, Danish, English, German, ItalianB1, Spanish, Serbo-Croatian, French Studies: Portuguese
| Message 16 of 66 03 June 2008 at 1:16pm | IP Logged |
Indeed, the scripts are closely related to each other and Greek, so the 'big difference' is fairly superficial. Once you get used to Cyrillic, it's not that hard to deal with. Sometimes I use Cyrillic (or frankly a heavily distorted version of it) for writing down things I don't want others to be able to read easily.
I have also seen some Macedonian (FYROM) webpages using the Latin script, something which I suspect to be not a big transition because of most Macedonians' knowledge of Serbian and its use of the Latin script. And of course ASCII-coding problems of the past (and present) have a saying in this.
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