cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5839 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 33 of 66 07 January 2009 at 4:39pm | IP Logged |
Cyrillic alphabet is beautiful, practical and clever. I am a big fan.
But I wonder how this alphabet come about? Before or after Latin? Why do some Cyrillic letters appear like mirror images or "false friends" of Latin letters?
However I hate it when the Russian letters are used "for decoration" such as using "ya" instead of "R" ! For example: Right next to my house is a bar called "Vodka Revolution" which uses this type of dodgy "fake Russian" spelling. It's even got some kind of mock-Communist theme... Too cheesy!
Edited by cordelia0507 on 07 January 2009 at 4:46pm
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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 34 of 66 07 January 2009 at 9:07pm | IP Logged |
Both Latin and Cyrillic came from the Greek alphabet, the Cyrillic one came about much later. Wikipedia will tell you more ;)
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yobar Diglot Groupie United States Joined 7033 days ago 52 posts - 54 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: German, Spanish, Irish
| Message 35 of 66 07 January 2009 at 9:28pm | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
Cyrillic alphabet is beautiful, practical and clever. I am a big fan.
But I wonder how this alphabet come about? Before or after Latin? Why do some Cyrillic letters appear like mirror images or "false friends" of Latin letters? |
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When I first got started with Russian I learned about the Cyrillic alphabet's Greek origins. The Russian N "Н" confused me because that's what the Greeks use for one of their E's. The rest were OK.
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However I hate it when the Russian letters are used "for decoration" such as using "ya" instead of "R" ! For example: Right next to my house is a bar called "Vodka Revolution" which uses this type of dodgy "fake Russian" spelling. It's even got some kind of mock-Communist theme... Too cheesy! |
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Don't forget the equally cheesy "LADIES DЯIИК FЯEE EVEЯУ ИIGHT!"
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Sennin Senior Member Bulgaria Joined 6035 days ago 1457 posts - 1759 votes 5 sounds
| Message 36 of 66 08 January 2009 at 3:41am | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
Cyrillic alphabet is beautiful, practical and clever. I am a big fan.
But I wonder how this alphabet come about? Before or after Latin? Why do some Cyrillic letters appear like mirror images or "false friends" of Latin letters? ... |
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yobar wrote:
When I first got started with Russian I learned about the Cyrillic alphabet's Greek origins. ... |
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Oh, my. This is one of my favourite flaming topics.
The original Slavic alphabet (with Greek origins) was the Glagolic. It was developed by St. Cyril and Methodius in an effort to differentiate from the Latin script used by the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) empire. At that time the Empire was 'the enemy' exerting significant cultural influence. The development of a new alphabet was an act of defiance.
The Cyrillic alphabet is a heavily modified (and simplified) version of the Glagolic script. Multiple theories exist as to its origin but most researchers agree that it was developed in the literary school of Preslav (the capital of the second Bulgarian kingdom; nowadays a picturesque city with a ruined fortress nearby).
If you deem me biased, refer to the Russian wikipedia:
Russian Wikipedia wrote:
Появление кириллицы, восходящей к греческому уставному (торжественному) письму, в таком случае связывают с деятельностью болгарской школы книжников (после Кирилла и Мефодия). В частности, в житии св. Климента Охридского прямо пишется о создании им славянской письменности уже после Кирилла и Мефодия. |
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"...The appearance of Cyrillic, which can be traced back to Greek origins, in that case can be attributed to the Bulgarian literary tradition (sequential to [the work of] Cyril and Methodius). In particular, in the memoires of Clement of Ohrid it is directly mentioned that Cyrillic was created only after the work of Cyril and Methodius."
Cheers.
Edited by Sennin on 08 January 2009 at 4:23am
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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 37 of 66 08 January 2009 at 5:14am | IP Logged |
yobar wrote:
Don't forget the equally cheesy "LADIES DЯIИК FЯEE EVEЯУ ИIGHT!"
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Your username is just as cheesy.
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DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6152 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian
| Message 38 of 66 08 January 2009 at 10:00am | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
yobar wrote:
Don't forget the equally cheesy "LADIES DЯIИК FЯEE EVEЯУ ИIGHT!"
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Your username is just as cheesy. |
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Ah. As in Ёбарь. Now I get it. Hmmm.
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Siberiano Tetraglot Senior Member Russian Federation one-giant-leap.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6494 days ago 465 posts - 696 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, ItalianC1, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Serbian
| Message 39 of 66 08 January 2009 at 12:20pm | IP Logged |
Гайз, Ай синк лэт зэ азэр славик лэнгўэджес би риттен ин зэйр префёрт скрипт, энд лэт эвриўан юз ўотэвэ скрипт хи лайкс. ;) Ай стронгли саппорт зэ айдиа оф инглиш ин сайриллик! Зыс ўил би дэмн кул! Бат ўи'лл нид Беларуссиан "ў", Бурятиан "ө" энд э фью аөэр лэттэрс фор пёфект фанэтикс.
Edited by Siberiano on 08 January 2009 at 12:24pm
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yobar Diglot Groupie United States Joined 7033 days ago 52 posts - 54 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: German, Spanish, Irish
| Message 40 of 66 08 January 2009 at 3:37pm | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
yobar wrote:
Don't forget the equally cheesy "LADIES DЯIИК FЯEE EVEЯУ ИIGHT!"
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Your username is just as cheesy. |
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Mmmm. Люблю сыр.
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