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| jae Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5692 days ago 206 posts - 239 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Latin Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, French | Message 9 of 62 18 May 2010 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Pimsleur certainly can't be your only resource for learning a language, but I do consider it a great stepping stone for anybody who's a complete beginner in a language and is looking for independent study. I personally have an acquaintance, who managed to get to a between-beginner-and-intermediate level of Portuguese in just a couple of months (and without too much effort). He was basically able to function in basic situations and have simple conversations with Brazilians.
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| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5563 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 10 of 62 18 May 2010 at 5:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Those who insist on repeating the "parroting sentences" line must not get very far into the program. Yes, there is plenty of phrase repetition (it is a repetition based course, after all), but later in the course you also construct new sentences by mixing and matching segments from existing known phrases. That isn't parroting. That is using the pattern matching portions of your brain to produce new sentences from existing knowledge.
Don't get me wrong. Pimsleur has its share of negatives, but I honestly don't feel this is one of them. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Guido Super Polyglot Senior Member ArgentinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6556 days ago 286 posts - 582 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, German, Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, Catalan, Dutch, Swedish, Danish Studies: Russian, Indonesian, Romanian, Polish, Icelandic | Message 11 of 62 18 May 2010 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
Some other programs are designed for farm boys who want to impress Italian supermodels! Wow! Edited by Guido on 18 May 2010 at 11:02pm 11 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| dolly Senior Member United States Joined 5818 days ago 191 posts - 376 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Latin | Message 12 of 62 18 May 2010 at 11:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Without a tutor there isn't a better way to learn pronunciation than Pimsleur. I've used software that tells you how accurate your pronunciation is, but Pimsleur gives you the best models to imitate. There's something about these recordings that puts the clear, correct sounds of the words into your head, for life.
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| alang Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7249 days ago 563 posts - 757 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 13 of 62 19 May 2010 at 12:53am | IP Logged | |||||
Well I support Pimsleur for the absolute beginner's. It definitely helped me, but I have only taken foreign women to restaurants and I drank water. I am allergic to alcoholic beverages. I also had to make the program suit me, as I am Canadian and not American and I normally replied I am from Canada. Referring the farm boys impressing Italian supermodels with that particular program. ROFL! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6467 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 14 of 62 19 May 2010 at 12:55am | IP Logged | |||||
For you, for some languages, perhaps. That definitely doesn't match my experience with Pimsleur Czech, where it was all a blur to me, or even Pimsleur German - there were quite a few phonemes I was mangling to the point of unrecognizability after using that. I fully agree that the software that claims to do so is a joke, but Pimsleur isn't something I've found very effective either. Very careful shadowing of very short clips, looped, works better for me. Edit: I should also mention that sounds don't seem to stay in my head for life, no matter what I do... nowhere near. Edited by Volte on 19 May 2010 at 12:56am 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 meramarina Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5995 days ago 1341 posts - 2303 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Italian, French Personal Language Map | Message 15 of 62 19 May 2010 at 5:06am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well, to be fair to those confident Pimsleur guys, at least they learn how to offer choices. Not only do they learn how to ask foreign women to go with them to restaurants--going to hotels and going to "my place" are also options! And you can have wine OR beer! Think of the possibilities!
The course offers a few phrases, three locations and two beverage choices, all of which work out OK for the guy . . . or, at least, it would have worked, if Pimsleur had not also told the lady how to say no! And to be fair to Pimsleur, a lady can use these same lines with a guy. This does not happen on the recording, but anyone can adapt the program to his, or her, own preference(s). Think of the possibilities! But not too much . . . you don't have enough vocabulary from Pimsleur to describe what happens next, if anything. I learned some pronunciation from Pimsleur, but I became impatient with the limited vocabulary. And speaking of that Rosetta Stone ad, there's a hilarious parody of it in the New Yorker. I posted a link to it several months ago, but here it is again: Mi Chiamo Stan by Ian Frazier Edited by meramarina on 19 May 2010 at 5:07am 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| kmart Senior Member Australia Joined 6152 days ago 194 posts - 400 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian | Message 16 of 62 23 May 2010 at 2:37am | IP Logged | |||||
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Well, I learnt enough Italian from Pimsleur alone (all 3 levels and I bought them at a good discount) to feel confident traveling around Italy and into areas with few English speakers - including asking my non-English-speaking Sicilian landlady for a bottle opener, directions to various places and having a detailed conversation about her daughter, grandchildren and sister who was a nun. I received numerous compliments about my pronunciation, and what was more flattering, my tentative questions were answered with fast-paced, voluble replies, indicating they had taken my language skills to be higher than they were, due to accurate pronunciation and correct grammar.
Pimsleur may not suit everybody, but if you want a program that teaches you the most useful travel phrases first and builds on them to more sophisticated conversations, in a way that allows you to intuitively absorb grammar, and you like to practice, practice, practice until you get something correct, then it works well. I only wish they continued the course to higher and higher levels, I'm sure my Italian would be a lot better if I had more Pimsleur to study ! 9 persons have voted this message useful |
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