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| Javi Senior Member Spain Joined 5982 days ago 419 posts - 548 votes  Speaks: Spanish* | Message 9 of 20 19 May 2014 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If you use your SRS for a limited amount of time each day (let's say 20 minutes), and you do failed cards first, then normal reps and finally new cards, then the system will be sustainable. The figure you're seeking would depend on a number of factors, like the size of the overall database, number of reps you want the program to stabilise at, difficulty of words, etc, only of theoretical interest in my view :)
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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4534 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 10 of 20 19 May 2014 at 7:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The answer to the question depends on how much time you want to spend on Anki per day, and also on hard the cards are to learn.
I used Anki for a year, and had a mix of single words (both L1 -> L2 and L2 -> L1), for which I had to know the both gender and the singular and plural forms. About a third of the cards were sentences (much easier). After one year I had 6821 mature cards and 2242 Young/Learning cards. On average I added 27 cards per day, for which I spent about 58 minutes/day on Anki. The amount of time I spend on Anki was pretty stable throughout that period. My impression was that the average time per day was linear with number of new cards added, so if I had wanted to spend 30 minutes per day on Anki I would have added about half the number of new cards. Of course, there must be some upper limit on the number of new cards you can learn per day, so this linearity must breakdown at some point. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| betelgeuzah Diglot Groupie Finland Joined 4402 days ago 51 posts - 82 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English Studies: Japanese, Italian | Message 11 of 20 20 May 2014 at 12:57am | IP Logged | |||||
I can vouch for this. With 7000 Japanese words learned, and 20 new words a day, my review sessions averaged 20 minutes every day. I had to learn to pace myself, but also had to learn meaning + reading simultaneously... so for any European language the rule of 5 is completely manageable. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4910 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 12 of 20 20 May 2014 at 8:31am | IP Logged | |||||
Sorry Daegga, but I have to say I chuckle to myself a little every time I see this post. If 5 new cards a day = 5 minutes of review, then it's actually just a rule of 1. But "rule of 5" sounds more impressive. My own experience is that the additional time is a bit steeper. If I normally review 100 old cards per day, and add 5 new cards per day, I need to raise my daily review limit to 110. But when I was adding 25 new cards per day, my daily reviews were getting up to 200 cards. Think about it like this, 25 new cards today means 25 extra reviews tomorrow (day 2). Carrying on with that rate means on day 3 you still only have 25 extra reviews, but on day 4 you would have 50 extra reviews (the reviews from day 1 + the reviews from day 3). After the second review, cards begin to get kicked further away, but just focusing on the fact that you will have to do a first review of some cards and a second review of others every day = at least 2 reviews per day for every 1 new card you add (assuming you are adding every day). Even if you keep tapping the easy button, there will still come a day when two days of reviews come together. Add to that the new cards coming back their third, fourth, etc time, I think that probably comes to another couple daily reviews per card you are adding. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4522 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 13 of 20 20 May 2014 at 11:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm not sure I get that. Is it a rule of 1 because it's only 1 rule or because it's a 1:1 relationship? Because I don't think the review time grows linearly with the number of new cards. By the way, the naming was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek and an analogy to Dan John's rule of ten. He also has a rule of 5 apparently :) Edited by daegga on 20 May 2014 at 11:33pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4910 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 14 of 20 21 May 2014 at 8:32am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, it appeared to me that you were describing a 1:1 relationship. "5 new cards per day = 5 minutes of review per day". Did you just mean that you add 5 cards per day? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4522 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 15 of 20 22 May 2014 at 12:43am | IP Logged | |||||
Yes. If I add more than 5 cards per day I have to make breaks somewhere down the road, at least for non-trivial languages (what is trivial depends own your language profile of course). It's mainly a psychological thing, I don't want to spend more than a few minutes per deck and day. For faster progress per language, I prefer to have multiple different decks per language instead of increasing the number of new cards per deck. Edited by daegga on 22 May 2014 at 12:55am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4534 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 16 of 20 22 May 2014 at 7:59am | IP Logged | |||||
But obviously the optimal number of cards you add depends on your tolerance/preference for the length of your review time. I was adding about 28 cards per day for a year, but was quite happy to have review times that were about an hour long per day. Also if the cards are very easy - sentence cards for instance where you are simply reviewing knowledge of grammar/vocab - they may not had much to review time at all. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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