albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4389 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German
| Message 1 of 15 10 May 2014 at 2:53pm | IP Logged |
Do you think there is any connection between these two skills ? I am especially curious to know if you
think that reading aloud can improve the ability to speak .
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shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4445 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French
| Message 2 of 15 10 May 2014 at 3:08pm | IP Logged |
A well-known Canadian scientist David Suzuki who hosts the TV series "The Nature of Things" on CBC TV did a
documentary about his life sometime ago. He once had trouble public-speaking. To improve the situation he would
not only read aloud, but stand in front of the mirror and recording himself while talking in English. Even when you
are learning a language, I think his way of improving his public-speaking would work.
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tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4666 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian
| Message 3 of 15 10 May 2014 at 3:16pm | IP Logged |
While it won't necessarily provide you with something to say, in my experience reading aloud absolutely does help me to say things more fluidly once I think of them. I read a couple news articles aloud each day in French and Spanish.
Of course, before you make it a regular thing you'll want to first get confirmation from native speakers that your pronunciation is at least pretty good, otherwise you might end up ingraining bad habits...
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Penelope Diglot Senior Member Greece Joined 3870 days ago 110 posts - 155 votes Speaks: English, French Studies: Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew
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I do that a lot, mostly because I enjoy using the language I learn without stumbling all the time (as a beginner). Also, if you have a reader with audio, like I have for turkish, it's great to compare yourself to the native reader and try to imitate him/her.
Personally it helps me a lot, because I learn how to sound more natural, I focus on pronunciation and not grammar/syntax etc., and it is fun.
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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
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I've read aloud a lot in Ukrainian, and it's helped me more with listening than with speaking. Of course it's also helped me with, well, reading aloud :) My Ukrainian friend said that her fellow Russian-speaking classmates couldn't read aloud so well, although overall their level is obviously much better. But for speaking I find shadowing much more useful.
I also think that while the idea is great, it's important not to set unrealistic goals. Burnout, discouragement and abandoning the language altogether are a very real possibility if you attempt to read aloud an entire book, or everything you come across etc. It's kinda like with vocabulary learning. Several days of massive Anki or wordlists can be useful, but it's not sustainable over the long term.
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albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4389 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German
| Message 6 of 15 10 May 2014 at 8:17pm | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
I also think that while the idea is great, it's important not to set unrealistic goals. Burnout, discouragement
and abandoning the language altogether are a very real possibility if you attempt to read aloud an entire
book, or everything you come across etc. It's kinda like with vocabulary learning. Several days of massive
Anki or wordlists can be useful, but it's not sustainable over the long term. |
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I am far from risking that :-) . It is just something that I would do for no more than 20 minutes a day , not
even everyday . I am looking for strategies and tecniques to make my learning a bit more active so I
thought that it could be a good one along with self talking and some translations (only few lines here and
there ) . It seems I do not like shadowing that much , I can do that only at the very biginning stage with
something like assimil .
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Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
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Have you tried Arekkusu's self-talk exercise? It's much superior to reading aloud imo.
Can you pinpoint the issues you're trying to fix with reading aloud? And in which language?
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albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4389 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German
| Message 8 of 15 11 May 2014 at 11:13am | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
Have you tried Arekkusu's self-talk exercise? It's much superior to reading aloud imo.
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No, actually I have never heard of it , what is it about ? My target would be to enhance fluency in German
of course I do not expect miracles to happen .
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