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| Juan M. Senior Member Colombia Joined 5905 days ago 460 posts - 597 votes  | Message 41 of 90 17 April 2009 at 4:11am | IP Logged | |||||
"Despite"? The population make-up would predict precisely that ratio. If there are five whites for every black, everything else being equal, you would expect the former to be subject to five times the amount of crime suffered by the latter. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jbbar Senior Member Belgium Joined 5806 days ago 192 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English | Message 43 of 90 17 April 2009 at 4:49am | IP Logged | |||||
Les actes antisemites en forte hausse en France (Le Figaro, 04/03/2009) The problem with hate crimes is that you soon have a thought police around. The whole issue is extremely politicized and one-sided. You cannot really punish a person for hatred. You can only punish people for infringing on the rights of others, regardless of their motivation. How do you determine whether or not an attack was driven by racial hatred? When we're talking skinheads attacking a colored person, sure, that's racial hatred. But what about North African immigrants attacking a Jew? Is that 'racial' hatred? Strictly speaking, they are not really different races, are they? It is more an issue of religion than anything else. Also, when a colored person attacks a native White citizen, I often hear people objecting to the criminal's ethnicity and background being mentioned as if that were entirely irrelevant. However, when a member of the ethnic majority attacks a member of an ethnic minority, there appears to be no question that it was racism even when it was not motivated by racial hatred. In reality these so-called hate crimes are often a vehicle used by people who have some kind of inferiority complex to demonstrate just how racist society supposedly is, which gives them an excuse to spew hateful language about the ethnic majority of the country they live in. The police in Belgium cannot even state that the majority of crimes in large cities are perpetrated by certain minorities even though this is merely a fact. Talking of double standards. Some people have only themselves to blame for the prejudices people may have toward them. jbbar 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jimmymac Senior Member United Kingdom strange-lands.com/le Joined 6159 days ago 276 posts - 362 votes Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, French | Message 44 of 90 17 April 2009 at 10:31am | IP Logged | |||||
Inferiority complex...yes...thats it...maybe thats why people are homophobic. If it works for racism then why not homophobia?! Anyway, to conclude Ashley, Pick a language. Stop being a victim. Edited by Jimmymac on 17 April 2009 at 10:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jbbar Senior Member Belgium Joined 5806 days ago 192 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English | Message 45 of 90 17 April 2009 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
Who says she's been a victim at all? It would seem that Ashley's worries are based on hearsay more than actual experiences abroad. In my view it is more an issue of self-confidence. Ashley appears to believe in stereotypes and group thinking just as much as racists do and is basing her language learning decisions on irrational fears. As for your sneer on homophobia, take a chill pill and spare me your nonsense. My comments on that issue were in reply to Jar-Ptisa, not you. Perhaps you might want to be reminded of the fact that Ashley didn't want this thread to be locked so I'm not going to respond to your remark on that. jbbar 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5712 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 46 of 90 17 April 2009 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Just doing my pop-in to keep everyone on topic, thank you for everyone who's managing to do that. Thank you for all helpful answers. Please realize that I am mainly asking about more open minded places where it is LESS likely harmful instances will occur. I live in GA, I have experienced crazy things like someone trying to harm me and I know that SOMEtimes you just don't get that in between leeway to "open their minds" or whatever. Don't forget to try to PM off topic stuff and have a good day.
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| Rout Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5718 days ago 326 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish Studies: Hindi | Message 47 of 90 17 April 2009 at 8:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
My manager is multilingual (Haitian Creole, Spanish, French, English) and she's travelled all throughout Europe. She did a semester in Spain and said the people were very nice. I think she did some kind of internship in Finland and they treated her like a celebrity. In some instances it can have the opposite effect. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Rout Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5718 days ago 326 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish Studies: Hindi | Message 48 of 90 17 April 2009 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
I believe a read a statistic recently that the most hate crimes were against Jews. I wouldn't doubt that they retaliate the least. Kind of sad. I wouldn't call black people defenseless, unless you're speaking with some type of specifity relating to individual crimes in which blacks were unarmed? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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