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| doodoofan Tetraglot Newbie Vietnam japanesetest4you.com Joined 4705 days ago 19 posts - 25 votes Speaks: Vietnamese*, English, Mandarin, Japanese Studies: Korean, Spanish | Message 9 of 11 02 September 2014 at 11:47am | IP Logged |
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So how do you know how to pronounce a Kanji-based word you've never seen before?
I don't. I guess most of the time. And guess what? You might envy Chinese people for being too lucky to already the Kanji, but they're the one who have the hardest time with it. Yes, they can recognize the Kanji and its meaning, but they can't read it properly. Most of the time they read it the Chinese way instead of Japanese way. I know this because I spent 1 year studying Japanese at a Language School with mostly Chinese people. My Chinese friends made mistake with reading Kanji all the time, but they were awesome at writing. Edited by doodoofan on 02 September 2014 at 11:49am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Warp3 Senior Member United States forum_posts.asp?TID= Joined 5525 days ago 1419 posts - 1766 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Korean, Japanese | Message 10 of 11 02 September 2014 at 12:58pm | IP Logged |
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Doodoofan: That was something I wondered about as well. I suspected that those
learning a Chinese character based language from another Chinese character based language did something along those lines, but it is nice to have that confirmed. On a separate note: To clarify what I said earlier that I've "already been learning Hanja", I've built up a deck of Hanja cards over time in Anki (for which I've been learning the meaning and the Korean readings and was originally learning the Chinese/Korean stroke order as well) and have 831 cards in that deck now. I even attached KanjiDamage keywords and Japanese readings to a few of them while learning Japanese last time, but the vast majority of them are mentally linked to Korean. I suspect/hope that this will provide a big head start when diving into Kanji as long as I can mentally link them over to words in Japanese. Once I make it far enough into Japanese, I don't particularly mind if many of the Korean links to those words fade (though they may not since they are still the roots to many Korean words, but I've never really learned multiple Chinese character languages, so I don't really know how that will play out yet). I've got Heisig's RTK1 on the way (just ordered it yesterday, though I think I have a PDF copy around here somewhere that I found online in the past), so hopefully I can use that to rebind many of these Hanja to Heisig keywords and mnemonics then use that framework to learn the rest of the base Kanji. I've already got a keyword field in my Hanja deck, so I may just continue to use the existing Anki deck, but flip the card order to Heisig's recommended "keyword -> character" order instead (as they are all setup as passive cards currently) then reschedule them as new as I attach keywords to them. The traditional characters I could probably just leave as passive for now (and for many of those I already have the simplified version entered as well, so that one would turn into the active keyword card). 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5756 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 11 of 11 02 September 2014 at 1:05pm | IP Logged |
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Read. Read aozora bunko texts with ruby characters. Read websites with rikaichan or peraperakun. Read manga with furigana. Test yourself on the reading of words you know. Cloze deletion cards work, but so does kanjibox - and there are surely other sites, but I like kanjibox. It's just a matter of practice, and not allowing yourself to get away with only recalling the reading in another language, or the meaning of a compound word. Oh, and typing, especially text messaging certainly helps. (Chat rooms surely do so, too, but they're too fast paced for me.) Edited by Bao on 03 September 2014 at 1:59am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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