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laiwai
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 Message 25 of 110
24 May 2009 at 3:03am | IP Logged 
Why not read more hear: Wine-whine merger

Edited by laiwai on 24 May 2009 at 3:15am

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 Message 26 of 110
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I have noticed out of the people who do use 'what' as opposed to 'wut,' the former seem to have more acumen in the English language and are more well-read. Given my location, if I hadn't had the insight to study I might use the same improper pronunciation as that of the latter.
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 Message 27 of 110
24 May 2009 at 2:14pm | IP Logged 
laiwai wrote:
Why not read more hear: Wine-whine merger


Kudos on your research skills. That seems to be a very accurate summary.
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25 May 2009 at 12:23am | IP Logged 
JW wrote:
laiwai wrote:
Why not read more hear: Wine-whine merger


Kudos on your research skills. That seems to be a very accurate summary.


It's a wiki article....
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 Message 29 of 110
25 May 2009 at 1:19am | IP Logged 
Rout wrote:
JW wrote:
laiwai wrote:
Why not read more hear: Wine-whine merger


Kudos on your research skills. That seems to be a very accurate summary.


It's a wiki article....

Yes, I mean, nice job of finding an article that accurately summarizes the data. I have lived in the southeast US most of my life and I can generally identify the twang that accompanies the contrast pronunciation. The shaded area on the map is indeed where you generally hear it.
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 Message 30 of 110
26 May 2009 at 9:49pm | IP Logged 
Rout wrote:
I'm getting worked up here.. =P

To further my point! I can distinguish between a WELL and a WHALE. The person who says 'wut' cannot unless he makes some kind of ridiculous sharade. I'll leave it at that for now, sorry about all the posts, haha.


Wut?

I don't know where you're from (somewhere in the south?), but even without aspirating the 'w' or making a "ridiculous [c]harade", my pronunciations of 'well' and 'whale' are completely distinguishable. Do you confuse SELL and SALE, or TELL and TALE? What about WELL and WAIL (which I would pronounce exactly like 'whale')?

Edit: @ the OP, you probably are aware of this but I figured I'd mention anyway that "who" is an exception here, being pronounced like "hoo" rather than "woo", which I've never heard in any dialect.

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 Message 31 of 110
27 May 2009 at 12:00am | IP Logged 
anthox wrote:
Edit: @ the OP, you probably are aware of this but I figured I'd mention anyway that "who" is an exception here, being pronounced like "hoo" rather than "woo", which I've never heard in any dialect.

Same wiki article: Labialization of /h/ and delabialization of /hw/
Gotta love that pedia...

Edited by laiwai on 27 May 2009 at 12:01am

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 Message 32 of 110
27 May 2009 at 2:45am | IP Logged 
anthox wrote:
Rout wrote:
I'm getting worked up here.. =P

To further my point! I can distinguish between a WELL and a WHALE. The person who says 'wut' cannot unless he makes some kind of ridiculous sharade. I'll leave it at that for now, sorry about all the posts, haha.


Wut?

I don't know where you're from (somewhere in the south?), but even without aspirating the 'w' or making a "ridiculous [c]harade", my pronunciations of 'well' and 'whale' are completely distinguishable. Do you confuse SELL and SALE, or TELL and TALE? What about WELL and WAIL (which I would pronounce exactly like 'whale')?

....and what about 'wine' and 'whine?' If you have a good argument to present then please do. Until then, my way of speaking is more logical. I live in Florida, I'm from southern California. I speak with a non-regional accent sprinkled with British variation of pronunciation and vocabulary.
Edit: @ the OP, you probably are aware of this but I figured I'd mention anyway that "who" is an exception here, being pronounced like "hoo" rather than "woo", which I've never heard in any dialect.



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