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| ennime Tetraglot Senior Member South Africa universityofbrokengl Joined 5906 days ago 397 posts - 507 votes  Speaks: English, Dutch*, Esperanto, Afrikaans Studies: Xhosa, French, Korean, Portuguese, Zulu | Message 57 of 64 12 May 2009 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
No this topic has clearly left the language situation in Belgium behind a dozen posts ago... Wouldn't call the discussion between me and vinbelgium nasty though, just a disagreement... different experience and opinions. I'm sure we'll agree, even if it's agreeing to disagree :) On another note... There are others who make spelling mistakes as well and "butcher" the languages, not only English if you check the multilingual lounge. While the browser I use has a spell checker (probably the only reason why my posts are so devoid of spelling errors) putting stuff in Word and then copy-pasting it is bit too much, anyways if you expect it of one then go and complain to each and everyone who makes spelling mistakes or ask to make it a forum rule. When you have a disability that puts one at a disadvantage and I see no reason to expect them to put themselves through extra trouble in order to pretend they don't. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| charlmartell Super Polyglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6246 days ago 286 posts - 298 votes Speaks: French, English, German, Luxembourgish*, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Dutch, Italian, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 58 of 64 12 May 2009 at 7:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
Very well put. I also think it's an imposition to ask Jar-ptitsa to use Word, check the spell-checker and then transfer from Word to here. Just look at the mess copying and pasting often makes of the presentation of the resulting page. And I also think that Jar-ptitsa's spelling is colourful and uniquely personal. There are masses of Orthos, Earles and Rechts on this forum, there is only one Jar-ptitsa. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7158 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 59 of 64 12 May 2009 at 8:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The only thing is that Jar-ptitsa/Pauline wants to be treated like a lot of us here and taken seriously. Yet as charlmartell puts it, "there is only one Jar-ptitsa". I rarely have problems with someone whose posts are "colorful" but if one wants to be treated like everyone else here, then would it be too much to ask for one to play by the same rules? I'm all for giving some slack to people, but not that much.
I agree fully with Iversen in that Pauline's posts usually don't lend themselves for others to deduce that she is female and suffers from some kind of psychological problem. I find it surprising that some people give others a rough ride for apparent insensitivity when the real matter is that one normally doesn't assume that someone's agitated or mispelled posting is the result of some kind of physiological or psychological problem. Anyway, if someone had indeed assumed that someone else's agitated tone or typos were indicative of mental handicaps, would that be any better or more civil? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 60 of 64 12 May 2009 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have to agree with charlmartell on this.
For those who say "but how was I supposed to know it was a handicap?" - if you don't know, I'd recommend just being quiet. It's not obligatory to criticize people; lack of knowledge on the part of the criticizer is pretty low on the list of good reasons to do so. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 61 of 64 12 May 2009 at 8:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
There's no call to assume she's lying about her gender, much less in such a rude and hostile way. This isn't assuming insensitivity: Earle's post was pure boorishness. Similarly, after someone (much less Iversen) steps in with an explanation, assuming it's a lie is quite different from leaping to a conclusion of mental difficulty from spelling. I don't think people should assume handicaps. I think hostile and personally insulting posts are generally a bad idea though - and doubly so when they're based on the assumption someone is lying, when there is quite a bit of evidence and history to the contrary. Posts combining laziness, ignorance and hostility irk me. Edited by Volte on 12 May 2009 at 8:37pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7158 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 62 of 64 12 May 2009 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The trouble is that when Jar-ptitsa posts something rather confrontational or sweeping (see how the first "Language & Identity" thread got locked), it's hard not to stay quiet. As I had posted earlier, it's not usual for someone to assume that the one making such statements has psychological problems (thus granting the poster or speaker a "pass").
In the case of that locked thread on language and identity, I suspect that her accusations or assumptions would have been dealt in private messages right off the bat if jbbar had known about her condition rather than to have had the thing degenerate into a visible shouting match. In a certain way, her responses can be as bristling or sweeping as those as I've seen from members who've already been banned or muzzled (e.g. Zhuangzi, Polar). The thing is that as far as we know those banned or muzzled members did not admit to having psychological problems and were pushed aside because they were expected to "know better" and had got under the skin of even the administrator or moderators. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 63 of 64 12 May 2009 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
Ah - I see what you mean. We were referring to a different subset of the posts made in reply to her posts. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7017 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 64 of 64 12 May 2009 at 9:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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This thread is indeed moving further and further away from language learning.
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